I think you Guys maybe right.
Even if there are more available Women on the US East Coast I’m sure there are other obstacles to contend with in relation to finding someone you can be more attracted to.
I saw this Graph and decided that it was worth posting for you to ponder over as well.
Now I know that there is no data here separating Men from Women so I’ll just assume that the split is roughly equal.
But obviously I think we are on to something “BIG” If 30 percent of the US population has a Body Mass Index greater then 30 which by the way is considered to be in the Obese Category by the American National Institute of Health.
Keep in mind that this is probably only the tip of the proverbial iceberg since an Index between 25 to 29.9 is also considered overweight. And in case your wondering.. a normal weight range is classified between 18.5 to 24.9.
So aside from all of these numbers..
Are you starting to get the picture in terms of what seems to be a “growing” problem in the Good Ol’ US of A?
You will notice that Russia IS NOT listed on this graph.
Maybe it’s because there’s no figures available.
Or maybe it’s because the slim figures that I see walking around everyday is actually the norm.
In anycase I’ll let you Gentlemen be the judge..
So sound off on what you’ve seen especially if you’ve been to Russia and can make the comparison.
April 14, 2007 at 3:26 pm
GL,
Believe it or not there is a graph somewhere I saw released by a US federal department indicating the gender differences. And women were fatter in higher numbers than men! Slower metabolism, and the attitude that the only thing that is needed to be attractive is to shake what yo mamma gave ya.
Who needs diet and exercise when you are a Big, Beautiful Woman! It’s not you that needs to change to the world, but the opposite. Through campaigns such as Dove Beauty the world will finally understand how wrong it is to think healthy, thin women are attractive!
It’s not that overweight women here have fragile egos. They can handle anything! As long as you don’t call them fat or unattractive.
I myself am swimming everyday and eating healthier so that I can lose the weight I gained in the past winter months. Everybody here tells me “Are you crazy?! You’re soooooo skinny!” But they don’t realise that it is a matter of taking care of oneself and refraining from neglecting your health.
Welcome to North America.
April 14, 2007 at 6:32 pm
But no, so many American women WANT to be the Big Beautiful Whale, ROFL. To them, looking like Moby Dick is their God given right even though they’re a walking, talking Orc. To a point, many men are not looking for model types, but normal men don’t want a head case who’ll eat herself to death. Not to mention teach their children attrocious eating habits. I’ve seen firsthand the horrible effects poor eating habits and junk food can do to the body. I am not a skinny guy. However, even though I’m on the overweight side, I climb 4 story ladders and I’m no young buck. To see a woman so heavy she cannot even walk without being short of breath is not a pleasent sight to see.
Taras
April 14, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Some women even have to get permission to use the handicapped parking spaces, because they’re so fat they can’t even walk across a parking lot. And what about those women who can’t even walk around the supermarket and have to use one of those little electric scooters? I think they’ll evolve into ocean-dwelling mammals just like the whales did.
April 15, 2007 at 10:54 am
Hahahah! That graph is funny, or is it sad. Anyway, as one who is currently living in Europe it is what I would have guessed.
April 16, 2007 at 7:08 pm
All the Russian figures I’ve come across speak for themselves.
And the locals, even in fitness-crazed California, are jealous.
April 17, 2007 at 10:40 pm
Yes the russian women I’ve seen, my girlfriend included, are much slimmer than their American and UK sisters (I’m from England myself).
A lot has to do with the eating habits and of course the fact that Russian women get a lot more exercise from walking everywhere. This is partly because of cultural differences but largely because of less car ownership in Russia and also because of the massive exposure to fast food and advertising of junk food in the United States.
Something which may change over the course of the next generation or so. As the giant fast food corporations continue to expand eastwards.
But hey, guys. Enjoy it while it lasts. Right now one thing is for sure, the Russian and East European women are beautiful. If these big whales of the west want to try and convince themselves that OUR attitudes need to change and not THEIR eating habits then that’s fine. One question though: Why do they keep having their stomachs stapled? Surely they should have their mouths stapled! Anyway I don’t mean to be rude or offensive to anyone. There are some very attractive women in the west too. Just that I know who I would rather wake up next to in the morning. So ask yourself the same question. Whale or Babe? for me it’s no contest!
April 17, 2007 at 11:11 pm
GL has a fine sense of happy perspective. More fun from a distance, yes?
Anon girl … If you don’t mind heavy breathing; then try the Greer Childers method. It burns much faster and much more than any other method. And you don’t need water. Just a small amount of space. Anything aerobic over 20 minutes is when the burn starts. Tai Chi–the rhythmic dance, the basic movements also soft and very good.
Raw foods and enzyme supplements for mostly cooked meals. Hemp oil or olive oil also are very helpful. Your body loves good oil and will keep fat unless it gets what it loves most. Try at least 45-55 gm. daily, 1 1/2 oz.
The cycle usually begins when the oil, essential fatty acids category is ignored out of pure ignorance and a self-serving media ignorance.
Your fat to muscle ratio rises after each “diet” which never works when you deprive your body of the daily building blocks and in time you have “the graph”.
There is an interesting appetite shut down mechanism in the brain. I know that most slim people have a hypersensitive mechanism. Why it shuts down in primarily Western women is an interesting subject.
Is there a voluntary, or pride factor, at least partially responsible for the “appetite shutdown mechanism”? In my opinion, yes. And although this question of obesity is a complex issue, most men are disappointed in the lack of pride which is demonstrated by our present, or past girlfriends or wives.
Why? It is interesting, but within the Christian faith there is a clear belief that the spouse’s body is your body and vice versa. And in this regard, perhaps not so much respect.
I have witnessed crash dieting and exercise enthusiasm in some Western girls whose purpose is to make themselves attractive for a potential mate.
The sad part is what happens after he is “landed”. We seem to be using water-based references in this thread. Anyway, after the fact, the fisher seems to slowly become the big fish.
What’s right for you? Generally pay attention to the usual as well as the look of your face. Keep a photo diary. Usually you’ve overdone it when you begin to look like you need a vacation.
Remember that in order to make the changes permanent, that lifestyle needs to comprise healthy diet, exercise and state of mind. The last seems to require some good luvin’–body and heart. Yes, a man’s loving touch releases healthy chemicals in your body.
In societies where men are prized and appreciated the least … the fat is the highest–generally speaking. The whale that Feminazi built steals a girl’s natural beauty. Inside and out.
You go girl!!
Best of luck.
April 18, 2007 at 1:16 am
I think it all boils down to quality of food and lifestyle. In Europe, (ideally France), the food consumed is fresh and full of nutrients, because they are grown organically (read without commercial fertilizers and pesticides). When we eat natural foods, the whole grains, nuts, legumes, vegetables and fruits, they are full of nutrients, fibers and phytochemicals, that give us the nutrients the body needs and more importantly give us the feeling of fullness from which we would limit ourselves from further eating. This concept is so simple, but the majority of people have yet to realize its significance. When it comes to food, I say reach for all things natural, and organic. And just by shopping at Whole Foods, you’ll do yourself a great service to your health. For those who wants to read up more on this important topic, I highly recommend “Ultrametabolism” by Dr. Mark Hymen.
When I was in Ukraine, Russian, it was quite difficult to come across anyone obese, for both men and women. Everybody was in excellent shape. Sadly, I did see McDonald’s cropping up, for now in the bigger cities. How truly sad!!
April 19, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Manoah … Live long and prosper. I’ll do my best to tell this same story.
I have never seen a telecast which asks for help from Westerners to Eurasia. We can only wonder why.
Very interesting to see that the search for a healthy life has lead us both here. Very interesting.
Healthy life = healthy love
Healthy love = healthy roles
Eat your veggies. Kiss your girl. Teach your children joy.
April 21, 2007 at 8:45 pm
rw_man, I’d stop picking on the fat chicks if I were you. You’ll make them mad. When threatened or angry, fat chicks are known to use their lethal weapon: death by sitting on their enemy.
April 22, 2007 at 1:17 am
to Greenlander
also when they get angry they eat more comfort food… big bag of chips on the way to BK for 2 whoppers for $3, biggie fries and a biggie diet soda. The diet soda kills the guilt. Then they will head for the buffet for dinner.
April 22, 2007 at 2:10 am
But that only makes them more lethal when they finally decide to sit on someone.
April 22, 2007 at 6:57 pm
It would be odd if that graph was still accurate. I think the last full scale study done was in 2000, or 2002.
If trendlines have continued, I wouldnt be surprised if it was up to 33-35% now. (Lets not forget that it comprises not only people becoming fatter in any given age group but also a greying population and older people get fatter universally).
April 22, 2007 at 7:52 pm
“(Lets not forget that it comprises not only people becoming fatter in any given age group but also a greying population and older people get fatter universally).”
Maybe so, but I can tell you based on 25 years of observation that young women as a group have gotten MUCH fatter than they used to be.
April 23, 2007 at 7:20 am
I just got back from a workout in the weight room where I live where I was pumping iron.
These two fat cows in their early twenties arrived. The thinner one was only 30 pounds or so overweight, she was at least able to jog a little. The fatter one was about 50 pounds overweight. Hell, you could have made *two* Russian girls out of her. The fat one didn’t even jog on the treadmill, she walked.
They were having the stupidest conversation, about all the catfighting going on with their female roommates. I just wanted to smack them both and grow up about 10 years and lose 40 pounds each. Sheesh.
After about 20 minutes they both left, I guess the treadmill was too much for them.
April 23, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Greenlander, do you live in Greenland?
April 23, 2007 at 2:57 pm
beaten by a treadmill, huh?? sad.
April 23, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Luke, I live in Silicon Valley.
April 23, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Luke, are you the guy from Star Wars?
(Just kidding).
April 23, 2007 at 11:17 pm
Greenlander said:
“These two fat cows in their early twenties arrived. The thinner one was only 30 pounds or so overweight, she was at least able to jog a little. The fatter one was about 50 pounds overweight. Hell, you could have made *two* Russian girls out of her. The fat one didn’t even jog on the treadmill, she walked.”
Don’t you hate it when two or more fat cows decide to WALK side by side on the running track and block the runners? And if you say “single file please, ladies” they say “Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuse ME!!”
And they think that half an hour of strolling on a level surface is going to make them lose weight!! I think that would take a brisk 6-mile hike every day.
April 24, 2007 at 1:33 am
Anyone know where the rw man is hiding??
April 24, 2007 at 3:16 am
I suppose that rw_man is getting extremely busy putting his very beautiful fiance on pedestal! I’m sure that he’s keep kissing on the ground in the Siberia of Russia for being so grateful to have a very lovely girl he ever has had in his life! Let’s respect his time in devoting to his wife in spite of having a very happy marriage to his girl! Way to go, Rw_man!
April 24, 2007 at 7:42 am
Let’s hope you’re right QuietRebel. I mean I hope Greenlander’s theory isn’t true and rw_man has been sat on by a fat chick who read this and got mad!!
I see he has posted a new topic so we shouldn’t send out a search party to Siberia just yet.
April 26, 2007 at 12:41 am
Belgium is second? Damn, I either lived in the wrong Belgium or they slimmed down significantly in the last 10 years since I moved out… Hmmmmmm, weird…
April 27, 2007 at 11:57 am
ok rw_man is not hiding, but where is Wonderlander? Did she get swept away by some common male chauvinist from America?
April 27, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Good question Ceiver, I miss the fascinating Natalia too.
April 27, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Maybe some fat feminist got hold of her. :O
April 30, 2007 at 10:45 am
Hallo Gentlemen, I’m touched to hear you miss me! ))
Sure I fear nothing as far as there are people of heart and reason in the world.
Sorry for neglecting my service over here, - I’ve been working for our common interests the other way round. Now I’m following my agenda of geting retirement away from work, and indulging with my gang into quality matchmaking service. We want to make a unique professional and comprehensive offer, taking care of our clients at every step. Legal, IT & organizational groundwork, liquidating some property for startup maintenance, and finalizing my obligations to the bosses keep me busy.
Still bursting with ideas to share,
yours sincerely - N.
April 30, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Aunt Natalia, it’s good to have you back. We were missing our favorite phycologist.
May 8, 2007 at 9:40 am
I think there are very beautiful women in America, but for some reason after the age of 25 many of them go down hill. I was at my 10 year high school reunion last year, and all of the pretty girls look like ass. They all have gained weight and all that high school tanning bed skin has caught up with them and they just look a mess.
The guys too!!
I do think that there is this idea in America that “big is beautiful” and I dont think that this applies to women who are just naturally busty and curvy, big and beautiful here in the US is 50 pounds over weight PLUS.
I know for a fact in Turkey that there is no concept of big and beautiful the only time that it is exceptable to be over weight is when you are pregnant or when you are an old lady, and even then its just 20 or so pounds over weight, YOU NEVER see American style fat in Turkey.
Even though in Turkey and other European countries there is McDonalds, KFC, Pizza hut and other American fast foods, they are eatten once in a while (like once a year) and as a special treat to eat something American, not as a diet staple as it sadly is in many American households.
May 8, 2007 at 9:42 am
spelling correction “exceptable” I mean acceptable!!
May 10, 2007 at 8:15 am
Probably it’s part of that self-justification and P.C. which would soon be calling a thief a “person with unbounded legal views”.
Compare it to Russian girls calling themselves “cows” when they are 5 kilo above their summer lowest weight.
Sincerely,
Natalia-on-the-Drydown
May 10, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Hello Natalia.
So, do you have any info regarding the percentage of obese Russian? I have yet to see what I love to call the “Hagen Dass[ice cream], Sara Lee[commercial dessert cakes] Special” in any Russians.
It is quite possible that morbidly obese Russian girls do not exist. I simply can’t even hegin to imagine this degree of obesity.
So, as helpful as the graph is, it protects the degree to which Westerners are obese. You make an excellent point Natalia when you remind us that the Russian version of obese and Western obese are two completely different realities.
I have noticed an extraordinarily high percentage of “ideal body weight” in Russian girls. Not simply an acceptable weight. But actually ideal.
In fact, I think that the Russian ideal weight is the norm for Russia.
And the overweight Western girl is the norm for the West. We only speak about the degree to which they are over their “ideal” weight.
There is a saying that, “Men never sweat for a fat girl.” It simply means that fat girls cannot create passionate desire in men. And Russian girls know it.
Let me draw an image for you. Imagine a man feels the desire to move to a particular intimate position with his girl. Only he can’t because she is too heavy to easily allow it. And so on.
In my opinion, girls who are overweight or even morbidly obese are visibly expressing their contempt for the preferences of men.
They not only don’t care that we don’t like it; they demand that we actually learn to enjoy being mocked by literally rubbing our noses in their fat. In intimate concerns this is quite literal.
Fat girls are a Feminazi passive aggressive form of contempt.
May 10, 2007 at 4:23 pm
I can hear my Feminazi critics desperately trying to find a balloon to burst. So, I’ll save y’all the trouble…
My girl, without a word of prompting, went to work on what can only be called an astounding personal refinement program. All voluntary. I promise I said nadda.
Even for Russian standards it has probably been far beyond the pale.
Why? She wanted to honour her man. Her words out of her own mouth. I promise.
I tried to speak about my admiration of this on a Feminazi site and got banned. Apparently too painful to read about a girl who loves the art of being feminine.
And again without prompting whatsoever on her part, I responded with my own celebration of manly arts.
And germane to this thread…
She hired a personal trainer and joined a gym “the day after she found me”. Her crisis? One whole extra kilo. One. One freakin’ extra key. 45 keys soaking wet.
Me? Well, I bought a home gym, put on, so far, about 10 kilos of new muscle tissue of the goal of minimum 15 new. Every day. And I love how it makes me feel. My goal is Gladiator.
The rest is not germane to this thread. But it could write a couple of books. In fact, I have two websites in the works as a result of some of my own stuff.
Not to worry. My participation here is not a setup to spam or a plan for it. I am loathe to even consider it.
However, I am genuinely happy to share my happiness about my own personal joy and awakening to how freakin’ excellent life is when it’s “real”.
She has made me proud to be a man. Do you have any idea what kind of release this is after a lifetime of *this kind of attitude to my being what God made me?:
* http://www.iwdtoronto.com
And if you knew all the details about her, you would understand why I have been so inspired to love what is the real man within me–the one the Feminazi’s do everything possible to condemn and demean.
The Cult of Feminazi is loathe to celebrate what is a real girl–or man.
I love Russian culture. It is beautiful to see and to feel.
Next time you encounter a Feminazi rant, consider stuffing a super size burger into it’s gaping wide mouth. It’ll think you really, really love it and ask you to bark for it.
Feel the love brothers.
May 10, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Hi, I’m just hatching a post on this issue )
Morbid obesity trend just demonstrates how mentally disturbed these gals are. To eat oneself into such state, one has to be verry stressed. (Under such propaganda! To hate masculinity and shun femininity! “Stop the earth, let me disembark!”) Alcoholism another way round.
And a vicious circle… Fat > unwanted > sad & sensorically starved > munchung > fat…
May 11, 2007 at 3:04 pm
Drumroll!
Wonderlander Productions Presents,
or, better,
Aunt Natalia fills in the picture! ))))
http://russianwomenspeak.wordpress.com/2007/05/11/how-many-russian-people-overweight-and-in-charge-of-weight/
May 11, 2007 at 3:33 pm
“Sex-wise, weight-conscious is every second Russian woman (47%) but only 19% men.”, Natalia’s link post.
“Oh Natalia” … he says with a rising intonation… Can you let us know when you make a post which speaks about?:
“Weight wise, sex-conscious is every second Russian woman, but only 91% of men.”
Did you like it? If you did; then, you’re to blame. I read your post on Russian humour. YOU! If you didn’t; then, I’d better read your post again. In which case, ME!
Now I await another brilliant post on just exactly what is considered “overweight” or obese by Russian standards.
I’ll even do the drumroll for you. How about that?
May 12, 2007 at 7:26 am
Yes, obesity also shows a lack of concern for appearance and health, and thus a general level of irresponsibility.
If they can’t be bothered with these key areas of their life, chances are, they’re not gonna be bothered with others, either.
May 12, 2007 at 1:28 pm
You’ve got that right Selma. It’s horrifying to see how fast people go downhill here with all the bad food, bad eating habits, and bad habits in general being the root cause.
Taras
May 12, 2007 at 4:26 pm
And the reasons behind the bad food, eating habits and lifestyle is a part of a greater picture of the industry of disease, death and dying.
Commercial food is legislated, yes? And the manufacturers could be made to follow any standards, yes? So, why are the foodstuffs ingredient lists traceable to degenerative health conditions?
This is no more of an accident than the Feminazi marches through the streets.
“Entire crops were lost.” , The Matrix Reloaded. In reference to the crops of manufactured humans.
Well, it is also quite possible to create any type of disease. In fact, crops of each of the major diseases annually. And each of the crops supports global annual profits in the hundreds of billions of dollars–one person at a time.
Feminazi’s are pawns. And most don’t even see it. They are so imbued with their ignorant rants to even see it.
Healthy personal lives fit much more easily into healthy food and lifestyles. The personalities and priorities of those who seek Traditional marriages reflects the eagerness to embrace overall healthier choices in all matters of their lives.
Healthy food preparation takes time. The kind of time usually only available to wives in traditional marriages.
Healthy food–a labour of love.
May 14, 2007 at 10:02 pm
L.O.L. three times. The more preparation, the less health is left. Vitamines destroyed, fat added (and transmuted by heating), products combined in a way that sets your digestive ferments and patterns in conflict…
How much time does it take to boil a pot of organic cereals? 10 minutes. To wash and trim raw fruit’n’veg? then to press a couple of buttons to turn them into salad, juice or cream-soup? To put fish fillet into the steamer, or some cottage cheese straight on the plate? Ok-ok, to roast some meat? (I prefer baking it, though: healthier, and slower – enough time to groom hands while the oven is working.)
I’m healthier and even thinner now at 28 than at 18 when Grandmother was cooking the Slavic way. (She died of obesity…)
May 14, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Yes, I see the clock on your healthy food preparations.
I speak of optimal diet which is a combination of genetic predisposition, the optimal nutritional composition and what is culturally available.
The make the finest bread, from sprouted seeds, dehydrated, then ground and fermented, then either again dehydrated or low temperature cooked.
And including sprouted food of all kinds. For example, sprouted legumes are more than 24 times more nutritional than ordinary prepared.
And all such food in this optimal diet takes time. Sprouting requires sequencing and scheduling. No more healthy food than sprouted foods.
All people require all the basic elements of each group.
Then there is personal genetics and the ideal percentage of each group of food for each person.
And then there is taste preference. Very often the body will speak when there is a particular need which may be more pronounced than at other times. And so on.
So, there are both general and specific questions which need to be addressed.
About the Slavic, or any other, diet. Yes, the healthiest diet is never simply based on the ethnic menu. There is no ideal ethnic diet.
But there is more than enough information to allow a family to be always healthy.
Sounds to me that Natalia has one of those super strong blenders.
Then with all that effort the question of the what creates a healthy cell must also be known and addressed in the food preparation.
Many ethnic diets create health problems. Yet, it cannot be entirely discounted “the love element”. It has been argued that a person’s energy during food preparation is also “consumed” by those who eat it. Eating a mother’s love or her upset, depending on her mood.
Kiss the cook and hope she has all the time and information necessary to keep her family optimally healthy.
Traditional doesn’t mean unalterable, or illiterate. Simply natural and happily accepting of supports and strengths.
May 15, 2007 at 2:12 pm
Wow, sprouting all, and especially making bread (!!) which would lack qualities that classify bread & Co. as a dietary no-no, is a nuke overkill above the ways undertaken by the kin of contemporary health-conscious Russian women who scare their menfolk with vegetarianism and Oriental exercise. ) Takes extraterrestrial love or super-likemindedness.)))
Well, there exists a scarce but numerous lot of fans of self-grown organics in Russia and Ukraine. They usually confess New Age ideology too.
May 27, 2007 at 4:21 pm
The Fat V. The Slim dynamics…
The West has demonstrably more fat and and much more severely fat women and men, yes?
The West is the centre of universe for the Cult of Feminazi, yes?
The Pharmaceuticals, the world’s biggest in Nazi Germany split into four new versions after WWII, has powerful political controls of the West which are nearly entirely absent in Eurasia and Asia, yes?
Now the role of breastfeeding and its relevance to this post and …
http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/how-feminism-degrades-a-womans-body-and-soul-part-1/
In the early 1960’s the pharmaceutical industry started to give free canned milk samples to hospitals. This followed the development of pills designed to dry up mothers’ milk.
Hospitals must make money. Hospitals get a cut of canned milk. Women are encouraged to become “once again” a “worthy” member of society by getting back to work as soon as possible after birth.
Enter the dead milk scrolls…
Mothers’ milk has vital enzymes. Dead milk has none. Enzymes are vital to health in general and “a healthy weight at any age”.
Pharmaceutical companies are heavily into the media. The new modern woman embraces a modern way of living after incessant mindbending, social conditioning and political retooling back in the 60’s and continues today.
Modern woman becomes Feminazi quean(sp. correct) and shows aversion to deeply embedded female predelictions.
Hospital banter… “I took the damn pills. So, where’s my canned milk? My careerhood is calling.”
Currently in Russia, according my Russians-in-Russia sources, women are being encouraged to give birth at home, by the relevant government bureaucracy.
Now, how fat is intimately tied to Feminazi mentality and how it degrades a woman’s body and soul.
Breastfeeding is said to often be an extraordinary bonding mechanism for mother to child. Feel the love. Perhaps strong enough to allow them, along with all the other usual traditional factors, to allow Russian women to proudly proclaim their greatest aspiration … wife and mother—-lifetime mother.
During the course of feeding breastmilk, the milk’s fat content increases, and the rate of flow diminishes, so the baby works harder and feels full sooner. Breast-fed babies “stop when they’ve had enough.” “Babies who are coaxed to finish their bottle may be overfed and become overweight.”
Google: La Leche League …
Aside from the many health benefits of breastfeeding, it seems to create most often ideal weighted babies, children to teenagers to adults who are slim and who are predisposed to eating smaller portions of healthier foods.
Is milk formula and the Cult of Feminazi and their Careerhood adherents, not the formula for making fat, unhealthy people?
And is breastfeeding not the vanguard to creating bonded and bonding feminine women and their demonstrably more slim, healthy children? Top it off with really femininely inculcated girls who adore motherhood and heavily favour it over careerhood.
Breastfeeding … The enemy of the Cult of Feminazi and the Nazi born pharmaceuticals which split and reformed after the great Nazi war, and which seems to not have officially ended.
No other country in WWII lost more than the more than 20 million that Russia did in the fight against the Nazi’s.
Today, Russia continues to boast one of the world’s most slim people.
Nazi Germany used heavy doses of mindbending to villify its enemies.
Today Russia continues to be villified by seemingly intractable and arguably now traditional enemies.
Milk formula … The genesis of fat, sick people, most of whom learn to scream for their sick pills and surgery, the poison and mutilate graph of pharmacartel profiteering … from cradle to grave.
There is a huge amount of information regarding wise conception to birth to childrearing which is almost entirely anathema to the Feminazi West.
Finally a link which may send you looking for a qualified mid-wife and a place to homebirth after you see what a typical hospital birth does to your baby, and I haven’t even mentioned the nasty business of newborn vaccine applications. The head of Nazi bio-experiments was hired by Kissinger to develop a biological weapon, vaccines….
http://www.eco-action.org/dt/bwv1.html
July 5, 2007 at 11:15 pm
There are a lot of comments and I haven’t had time to read them all but just as a point of interest I thought I’d quickly post this.
The biological implications of significant excess fat on women includes increased severity of PMS and a lesser ability to cope.
Personally, I think the trend of increasingly fat women is a subconscious catalyst of sprawling western feminism.
July 17, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Demographics. When it’s out of proportion it produces some interesting and not so interesting sociological phenomona.
According to a StatsCanada 2006 survey Canada has only 96 women to every 100 men. In the province of Nova Scotia, arguably the fattest women in the country, there are only 93 women to every 100 men. Hmmmm.
Other significant phenomona such as rampant female infidelity, promiscuity, female instigated divorce, the Cult of Entitlement, the Cult of Feminazism and legislation based on a female dominated society and general legal and social preferential treatment are all consequences of demographic inequity, in my opinion.
This includes the fall of the art of femininity and general hygiene, deportment and beauty or care of same.
By the way, the last time I was at the grocery store I saw the biggest, fattest American in my life. It’s tourist season. And yes, our women felt even more comfortable in her presence. No need to worry.
She had three kids in tow. Who in God’s name did her? All of them also fat. What a mystery. Now how did that happen?
July 17, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Correction. A local radio announcer misread the report.
Curiously the number are 96 women to 100 men and 93 to 100 in NS. Which even more then begs the question if US numbers are similar…
“Immigrants who have lived in the United States for at least 15 years are nearly as obese as U.S.-born adults, according to an article in the Dec. 15 issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association.”
Oh, from a previous comment by Natalia. Love deprivation>>> chow down on the Hagen Dass. Even more love deprived>>> “supersize me. And then I’ll wash it down with “just” a half barrel of Hagen Dass. I’m on a diet.”
September 20, 2007 at 9:22 pm
it is so not right to be treating over weight people like they are an outcast. i for one am a Christian and an over weight citizen and i know for a fact that people all want to be treated equally and that is how we as gods children should treat them. It says in James 4 verse 7 “In Gods eyes we are all equal” and we are perfect in His sight.the lord God will never stop loving us and neither should the people of Gods world.And that is who I am and will ever be.
September 20, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Hi Alyssa,
Thanks for your comment and you are right in that people are people and equal in the eyes of God.. That I would never deny.
However God also pretty much hardwired Men to be attracted to young, pretty and slim women. I believe that there are a number of studies out there which confirm this as if we needed to validate the obvious.
The other issue is this.. More then a few years ago I feel fortunate in waking up one day to the realization that I wasn’t happy with my body. I made the decision to change it and decided that I wasn’t going to settle for what I was at that time..
I’m in a situation now to where I get complimented all the time on the way I look and how youthful I appear.. and please don’t take this as me having some ego trip cause that’s not the point.
The point is this.. Some people are born attractive.. while some people have to work very hard to achieve this. God never made the playing field equal for us.. cause he knew that our own life challenges are personal and unique.
I believe that people can choose to give up and be a victim to an endless array of circumstances and causes as to their current state.. Or they can wake up WORK HARD and CHANGE.
Ths is my point to this graph and this post because many of the women around me have this as part of their mindset.
In anycase I wish you respect and good luck with whatever you wish to do. If you are happy.. then that is totally cool. But if you are not.. then I also believe that “God helps those who help themselves…”
Take care,
GL
September 20, 2007 at 9:43 pm
Yeah, but the Bible also says that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. It also frowns upon gluttony. Not only that, but the Bible condemns jealousy, which means that overweight people aren’t allowed to be envious of slim, athletic people. Finally, the Bible says that the worst sin is pride. That means that no woman should go around thinking that she’s God’s gift to men, let alone a fat one.
October 27, 2007 at 6:16 pm
In reading this I find to much generalization on women in the FSU. If you go to dating sites like TAU2 you will find every walk of life there. Fat ones, skinny ones, short ones, tall ones, big ones, small ones, ugly ones. Then there are models that are beyond beautiful. They have the most realistic un-touched photos of FSU women. I deleted pages of unfit women, about 1400 personals in all, who didn’t meet my standards. It’s not that Im too picky, they take anyone on that site. Unlike the Anastasia or Elena’s models etc that only post the most beautiful girls, many are repeat models in different poses.
True, being in the bigger cities you will see the women are competing for the best jobs, best men etc who keep themselves slender and dress attractive. Outside the largest cities, this is not the case. It’s the same in any country. Sure the graph may show some data. The best data is to be there yourself and open your eyes. Much of that data is old. Especially for UK, New Zealand and Aussie. They have had recent higher rates of obesity closer to that in USA.
December 27, 2007 at 12:58 am
Ok, so I stumbled on to this site and have to admit I have some mixed feelings about it. I’m a quarter russian from my moms side of the family but I was raised by my dad and have never really identified myself as anything but american culturaly speaking. On the one hand I’m very hurt by all of these comments about how there are no good american women, but on the other hand I can’t pretend I don’t understand where they are comming from. I also get angry when I see posts against feminism but feel some of this “so called” feminism is in truth anything but. I am what most people would probably consider a feminist because I believe in equal rights for women AND men. I am (recently) married, but my husband and I have been together since we were in highschool. I run the household, make more money, am better educated etc. etc. etc. Most of these things would seem to make me a feminatzi according to several of the posters here. HOWEVER, I hate the bias in sexual harasment policies at most companies. Want to stangle women who use sex and cries of rape to damage innocent mens lives, and think double standards are a load of crap. Women can be just as capable physically as men if they are will ing to bust their butts and if they’re not willing to do the work to meet the physical requirements of a job then they shouldn’t get the job! My husband and I are equal in our marriage and have fun together all the time because we are eachother’s best friends. I don’t manage the household out of some sense of superioriety but because he’s a self proclaimed goof and bad at math. He doesn’t have any solid career goals and I’ve had the same career goal since I was fourteen so we’ve chosen as a couple to push for my career goal. I live in los angeles and have several very good single male friends and feel horrible for them because the truth is most of the women out her ARE HORRIBLE. I don’t believe in a traditional “conservative” world view. I am very much a liberal, but I don’t think that means what many of the self proclaimed conservative men on this site seem to think it means. I will admit I can’t stand traditional courthship, not because I think there’s anything wrong with it, it just gets on my nerves and feels kind of corny to me, but I again have male friends who are the epitome of chivalrous and while it would drive me nuts I think its a wonderful quality in them. Basically my whole long winded point is this, I agree with many things said on this site, but I also strongly disagree with a few. I understand why many men here might feel jaded, but I don’t think it’s remotely fair to dismiss all american women as being selfish fat and bitchy. I don’t want to dress up every day or have to feel guilty for eating my big mac, having a good job and not being barefoot and pregnant, but I also don’t want men to be some sort of downtrodden voiceless atm machines. Is it not possible that there is some sort of middle ground that can be reached here before you all run off and decide that american society is falling apart?
December 27, 2007 at 9:44 am
Hi Russian American Girl,
I have mixed feelings about your comment too.. but oh well.. Here’s the deal.. you’re asking for a “middle ground” and I for one don’t really see how that applies to this conversation.
The bottom line is this..
The world is becoming smaller very quickly. Men in the US and the West are totally being screwed over a combination of anti-male bias, politics, and culture to accept a “manly” woman as their mate and to “submit” to them.
Any man is free to choose this if he wishes but I’m pretty certain that he will not find lasting happiness… and to be completely honest with you.. neither will she..
Any man is also free to look outside of the west for a more traditionally minded mate. Nothing on earth can stop this and I for one will fully encourage this like I have been doing.
It all comes down to free choice doesn’t it?
You and your husband are free to choose each other and we are certainly free to choose something completely outside of what is being offered in the US or the West.
Men or Women are free to come to this site and to accept what I’m saying or to reject it.. frankly makes no difference to me. I call it like I see it. And I think more and more Western Men are doing the same. In my mind you are going to see dramatic increases in this “exodus” of Men from the US. It’s completely inevitable as this world becomes increasingly integrated.
American Women are free to choose their careers or themselves over their children or husbands.. and Men are free to NOT choose these women too..
Thanks for commenting..
GL
December 27, 2007 at 9:52 am
Russian American Girl..
One more thing..
I truly feel sorry for you if you feel that traditional courtship and romance is “corny” as you put it.
You have no idea how much of life you’ve already missed out as a woman by holding that attitude. You are denying your own identity as a woman by doing this.
Don’t believe me?
Let’s see how long you can last without watching any romantic film or tv show and just stick to a strict diet of MTV. The women portrayed on MTV seem to carry the same attitude you do.. they are certainly too “cool” to allow real romance into their lives and only want to play cheap sexual power games to get their latest fix.. sounds like real fun eh?
GL
December 27, 2007 at 10:46 pm
GL,
The problem I have with your statement is that you narrow the field down to only two options. Either, I’m hopelessly romantic and want to be swept of my feet by some guy, or I’m a manipulative twit. As an FYI, I don’t watch either. I don’t really care for romantic movies and never have. And I can’t stand the idiots on MTV. My movie and television options tend to be more along the lines of Sci-fi, action, or Discovery and History. I grew up on Stallone, Seagal and Willis. My favorite movies is Star Wars, although 300 is running a close second right now. My husband and all of my guy friends have always loved the fact that they can be completely comfortable as themselves around me because I understand them in a way most women don’t. And my husband loves that he’s never forced to sit through a romantic movie and pretend he’s paying attention.
Also, please don’t missunderstand me. I want a carreer. I’ve finished a masters and after spending a few years teaching to pay off my debts I’m going back for a Phd, but this doesn’t mean that I can’t be a woman too. I cook most of the meals for myself and my husband and I’m damn good at it. I want a family with several children and it pisses me off when a professor (usually a woman) tells me I shouldn’t because I should concentrate on my career. When we have kids, if we can afford it my husband might decide to stay home with them, but that was his idea, I never even mentioned it. He likes the idea of doing some freelance work from home and getting to be the “cool” dad.
As far as being too “cool” for real romance, your a bit off there. I’m a dork, always have been. My husband was the “cool” one in school, although that changed as he got a bit older. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with romance, i just don’t like the traditional versions of it. The closest thing to traditional romance I like would be a guy like Han Solo (again, I’m a dork) and my husband grew up worshiping Princess Leia so that works out well.
Basically it just bugs me that you seem to assume a woman can’t be soft and loving with her family but still be a capable career person and an independent driven individual.
Oh, and as for wanting a man who will submit to me HA! I’m a very strong woman, I admit it freely, but any man who can’t stand up to me won’t last five seconds. I don’t WANT a man who won’t stand up to me. My husband and I disagree on things and he is the first one to call me on my crap. That doesn’t mean I submit to him either, but he doesn’t want that from me any more than I do from him. And before you say it won’t last, it has for ten years so far with no end in sight. That’s longer than either of our parents marriages by the way.
As for your free choice to choose a more traditional family life, sure no problem. And I have no problem with your marrying women from abroad either. That’s not what bugs me. What bugs me is lumping all women in to two little groups and saying we have to be one or the other. I know there’s a backlash against feminism and for many good reasons. There’s a backlash AMONG WOMEN against feminism because we’re sick of being told its our feminist responsiblity to ignore our own wishes to have a family and concentrate solely on careers. Basically if I’m capable of doing both well, and I’m willing to do the work to do both well, then anyone who wants to try and stop me (man or woman) is going to be in for one major throw down.
As for playing games, no chance. I hate them, always have. My husband it free to tell me I’m being a bitch, I’m getting a bit chunky, whatever. I’ll do the same for him. I WANT him to be honest with me. I’m working to drop my graduate school weight right now because he’s told me I’d started letting it get out of hand. I’m also telling him to get off his butt and start loosing his gut because he’s been playing WOW too much. The only games we play are chase and an occasional match of scrabble.
December 28, 2007 at 4:45 am
ATTENTION: Clean-up on Post 55
December 28, 2007 at 4:55 am
Ok, I’ll admit I’m too verbose, but are snide pointless remarks really necessary?
December 28, 2007 at 2:28 pm
You and your husband have been married 10 years and obviously he still hasn’t found the courage to have sex with you. After he takes a heavy dose of Viagra and God forbid the both of you start having children, your instincts will kick in and the fun goof ball husband will get old real quick.
December 28, 2007 at 3:04 pm
What I meant to say was the lazy boy toy will become dead weight.
December 28, 2007 at 9:28 pm
Swing and a miss! Great sex life, sorry.
I was trying to remain open minded and reasonably sympathetic because as I’ve said I agree with a lot of complaints posted on this site. And yes I took the time to read a great deal of what was on this site before I ever said a word.
I won’t bother defending my husband because he’s more then Man enough and could care less about what you think of him. Same goes for me by the way (the not caring what you think part, not the Man part, let me just nip that snide comment in the bud), we’re extremely happy and proud of the lives we’ve made for ourselves.
Many men on this site have claimed that women in america are unwilling or incapable of having open reasoned discussions. Apparently you are incapable of the same.
If you have a real comment or argument you would like to put forward I will be happy to discuss it with you.
If you would like to continue with childish baiting that’s fine too, I’ll just ignore you from now on and continue on with my blissful and fulfilling life and find someone else capable of producing stimulating discussion.
December 28, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Yes, please ignore me. That would be very much appreciated.
December 29, 2007 at 12:08 am
GL,
Just wanted to say thank you for your comments and I appreciate the discussion. I would be happy to continue talking with you about this or other subjects on this site, but if you are busy or don’t want another long winded discussion with a self proclaimed feminist I understand. I was raised by lawyers and enjoy a good debate but the last thing I want to do is be imposing.
If you or anyone else would like to continue this discussion I will check back occaisionaly and would be happy to do so.
December 29, 2007 at 3:38 am
Not all of us are Russian/American girl. But when someone’s been the target of abuses for a long enough time, reason tends to be jettisoned along with yesterday’s news. Also, while your experience(s) were good, it’s a mistake to assume the same is true for other people. Many men have for lack of a better world, downright bad luck with women or they find nothing but a hostile audience. Don’t feel threatened or go on the offense if we choose to change that situation. I am a Ukrainian-Russian American, so don’t paint all of us here with the same brush. Many of us at this site have relatives there right now. As for me, I’ve had enough disappointment or bad experiences with the opposite sex here in the U.S. to know I am better off alone rather than trying to deal with a lost cause. If I had the wherewithal, I would be seriously considering expatriating or even emigrating to Russia. How ironic that in some ways Russians are actually freer than Americans.
Taras
December 29, 2007 at 5:15 pm
I must say brazenness and a lust for vindication are not traits I’m looking for in a woman.
December 29, 2007 at 11:09 pm
Hey Taras,
First off thanks for your comments. I really don’t have a problem with many of the things that you or several of the other guys are saying here. If I had found this site offensive or anything like that I wouldn’t have bothered posting. I’ll admit I feel concerned by how jaded many of the posters seem to be here, but that’s very different from disagreeing with the reasons behind the jaded commentary.
I also have an example of a friend that I would be interested in your and other opinions on. I met my friend in graduate school, we’re both marine biologists. We go out on boats and do research on our favorite animals. She happens to like jelly fish.
She is Korean American and was raised in a very traditional home. Her mother aunts etc. are constantly asking her about who she is dating and when she is going to settle down.
She wants to find someone, wants to raise a family and build a life together with someone, but she is having absolutely no luck.
Let me be perfectly clear that she is extremely sweet, soft spoken, and understanding. The guys she does meet are either complete jerks or completely intimidated when they find out how smart she is.
I know that she does honestly worry that the only way she will find a decent traditional guy is if she gives up on her career goals and becomes a house wife. She is not a ball busting career woman. She’s a scientist with a brilliant mind who loves getting to put it to good use.
I have told her not to give up on her dreams because I believe that she would feel trapped and resentful if she did. It’s my belief that she deserves someone who will love her just as much for how smart and accomplished she is as a scientists as for how sweet she is and how accomplished of a cook she is becoming.
Basically I am just curious to know what advice the gentlemen on this site would give her.
December 31, 2007 at 10:05 pm
to Russian/American girl,
I am reminded of the slogan “a mind is a terrible thing to waste”.
I have worked with an Asian woman who had a brilliant business mind. They study and work very hard. I also have worked with other professionally brilliant research men and women, mostly in labs near Boston. Locally my neighbors are brilliant minds working at NASA and VIMS. They find balance, with their work and their relations.
The Asian cultures have some strict traditional roles, but as you’ve mentioned the world is smaller…things are changing.
It’s true, many of the guys here are looking for old fashion stay at home mothers. Mature men will convey that during the growth of their relations. Choices will be made. This is America after all…hey if your husband chooses to stay home, there is work to be done there. A fathers work is never done.
As for you friend…tell her not to give up her dream.
As for my Asian friend…she stayed at home after having twins, but I am sure somehow she is using her brilliant mind consulting from home to fortune 100 companies.
January 1, 2008 at 2:39 am
I would tell her to follow her instincts and dreams, not what society trys to tell her she should be.
January 1, 2008 at 4:00 pm
russian/american girl,
I have a question. Why do things have to be so complicated?
This isn’t rocket science… it’s elementary… and I find that “smart” people tend to make choices more complex than they need to be. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it a thousand times more - through our “advancements” we have regressed and somewhere women have lost their way. As biologists I would expect that both of you would understand functional design and instinct. Males are’t plumbed to have and nuture young. All of God’s creation demonstrates that young need their mothers and that mothers have an instinct to protect and care for their young. Brilliant mind or not, why would female homosapiens be any exception?
-Mick
January 1, 2008 at 6:18 pm
don’t want another long winded discussion with a self proclaimed feminist I understand
I can tell you right now that I don’t, and I don’t think he does, either.
January 1, 2008 at 6:39 pm
The only thing I could advise your friend RussianAmericanGirl is not to give up her dream and trust her intuition. She needs to be with someone with whom they could form a partnership that would last for a lifetime. In the end, that is what marriage is all about, and sad to say many American women and men too have lost sight of that. She has only one life to live, so she shouldn’t settle. I assure you that that is one of the biggest and worst mistakes anyone can make, because I did and paid a high price for it. It would be great if she can find a fellow who’s a scientist, professor or other academic like her. I hope she gets the chance to use her gifts and abilities to the full, because many people never get the chance to do so and suffer because of it.
Taras
January 2, 2008 at 4:44 am
“I will admit I can’t stand traditional courthship, not because I think there’s anything wrong with it, it just gets on my nerves and feels kind of corny to me, but I again have male friends who are the epitome of chivalrous and while it would drive me nuts I think its a wonderful quality in them.”
This is an example of how confused feminism has made women.
Which is it? You can’t stand it? You think it’s corny? It drives you nuts? Or you think it’s a wonderful quality? Which is it ???
Feminism has told you that you can have it all ways - at home, at work, in your life. So women these days believe they can have it all ways in their thoughts, opinions, and emotions too. That they can think and feel completely contradictory things at the same time (the more things change, the more they stay the same !!), and that anyone who questions this is oppressing them in some way.
You’re a very confused “russian/american” girl.
January 3, 2008 at 6:17 am
Happy New Year, fellows!!!
Same old song on a different post?.. Ok, may I insert an off-topic, too! ) Since the main focus is on this page to-date, and it has something to do with gastronomy…
http://russianwomenspeak.wordpress.com/2007/12/30/how-to-survive-a-russian-ukrainian-party-holiday-new-year-cuisine-courses-drinking-alcohol-hang-over-medical-advice-safety-to-enjoy/
Sorry for posting late, but hope this survey would turn useful on the occasion of another holiday in the Former Soviet Union.
With best regards and wishes,
Comrade Natalia
June 13, 2008 at 1:22 am
well this graph shows only BMI, its takes height and weight. It doesnt actually show how much fat. Muscle weights more than fat so people with a lot of muscle still have a high BMI but low fat.(Mike Tyson has a BMI of 30.6)
June 15, 2008 at 2:26 am
Tony,
Honestly, how many people do you know of that are cut enough to raise their BMI like that vs how many people are just fat? Yes BMI isn’t the best indicator but it still shows an all too obvious trend in the USA. A lot of people are extremely overweight due to what our lifestyle has become.
SiSD