I have a friend who has been living and doing business in Moscow for the last 4 years who I talk with on a semi-regular basis.
Let’s call him Matt.
Matt is successful, smart, street wise and highly connected with different business leaders both in Russia and in the US.
Matt is the kind of Man with whom you’d easily expect to have a killer girlfriend by his side at all times given the nice little existence he’s made out for himself.
However in this particular example that ain’t the case.
And it’s not because Matt by any means is incapable of getting a lovely lady in the first place..
It’s simply because he absolutely REFUSES to date girls in Moscow.
And instead he wants me to help him find someone in Siberia..
He has repeatedly stated that his town is way too jaded for any serious relationship hunting.
According to him it’s because the number of trailing zeros of your bank statement and not your stellar character is what matters to any of the girls who are even considered to be semi-desirable there.
He continued on…
“You know it’s really sad because even the small town girls from the rest of the country who come to Moscow for work seem to automatically sign up to join a wolf pack in order to go hunting for the rich guys..”
And in the case of one of Matt’s other Moscow friends with whom I’ll just call Patrick..
The type of female attention he also received didn’t involve any innocent coy “come hither” looks or any shy conversations with an exchange of mobile numbers at the end.
In Patrick’s case it was simply the let’s “have fun” and get drunk kind of evening with several party girls.
This was quickly followed by a first night romp in the sack with one of them who ended up being a predatory creature who must have sensed the size of his wallet like a leopard following the scent of a wounded zebra somewhere in the Sarangetti.
Well at the time how was Patrick to know?
Here was an attractive girl who performed various “activities” on him that would cause his brain to jump out of his skull on a nightly basis.
And while his big brain was repeatedly taking a little sea-man’s pleasure cruise ..
Patrick’s little brain was the only one left standing in to skipper the ship through treacherous waters filled with hidden hazards.
Someone please call James Cameron for me..
I have a wonderful plot idea based on a true story for Titanic 2
So if we were to fast forward through most of this all too common tale and if you are the kind of person who doesn’t mind reading the plot spoilers at the end then here it is.
Patrick is now a father to an un-planned child and a husband to a very un-diplomatic woman..
Oh yeah.. and she “convinced” him to relocate their “new family” back to a new house in the States with various promises of better behavior on her part and a “happy life” together.
Well Matt and I both agree that we probably won’t be hearing anything from poor Patrick for a long time especially since he’s firmly on American Feminist ruled soil and is essentially held hostage by a woman who can now easily take half of his assets and maybe much more in a heartbeat.
Now keep in mind that I have personally meet Patrick when he and Matt came out to Siberia several years ago for a visit.
Pat was a nice enough Gentleman and I personally liked the guy but I also noticed that he carried a certain brash “I’m coming to Russia to Conquer” type of vibe that I have witnessed with more then a few newly arrived foreign business men.
Guys like this typically have an instinct to loosely throw money around in the presence of Girls out of some conditioned desire to show status and to impress.
Well Patrick must have “impressed” a different type of “Lady” alright..
I imagine that he must have impressed a bunch of Great Whites cruising in the vicinity by throwing bloody chunks of chum in the water..
And then deciding to jump in because he thought he was going to play with the Dolphins instead..
In anycase.. I don’t think Patrick is even remotely thinking about “Conquering” Russia anymore.
I think that’s kinda hard to do especially when you suddenly wake up and realize that you are a slave instead..
Matt was listening to my assessment on all of this and just agreed..
He started to recall one his own little encounters with a party girl who he initially thought was totally straight laced.
He initially thought this because the “lady” was a potential business partner with whom he had just mingled with at foreign business conference and at an after hours social in Moscow.
He and this woman along with another one of her girlfriends who was the designated driver decided to continue their socializing at some other venue.
Matt and this woman were in the backseat when in no uncertain terms an offer was given by her to perform fellatio on him right then and there.
Now in all honesty any Man in this fantasy type of situation might have to seriously consider their choices given the circumstance..
Matt was no different in his thought process but he somehow managed to turn her down.
First off because he’s not an exhibitionist and didn’t need to expose any lack of self-control to two new women in a car.
Second.. this was not any way to conduct legitimate business.
Third.. given some of the crazy stuff that happens in Moscow all the time this very well may have been a dangerous setup.
And Fourth.. because he kept Patrick in mind and realized where this woman was “headed” and what she ultimately wanted from him.
Matt was certainly surprised by this incident..
And he finished off his conversation with me by recalling how he used to remember when a place like Las Vegas was commonly referred to as Sin City..
He just gave out a disbelieving laugh and said..
“Man that place has NOTHING on this town…”
April 28, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Weird how women nowadays consider a BJ to be as innocent as a peck on the cheek.
April 28, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Sounds like Leykis 101 would do a man as well in Moscow as it does in America.
April 28, 2007 at 9:09 pm
This saga is proof that women are women, no matter where you go. Big cities in general are lousy places to find women, at least those one would want as a wife.
Taras
April 29, 2007 at 12:32 am
Yeah, and the other problem with cities is that they are noisy and crowded. I don’t like cities at all.
April 29, 2007 at 2:19 am
Ok, so maybe there are some cities that I do like, but there are also a lot that I don’t.
April 29, 2007 at 10:43 am
I dont buy it. At least not in the extremes being portrayed here.
a) Women in cities are predatory
b) Women in the country are not
Therefore, we can conclude its all socialization.
I dont know about you, but I dont like the idea of a sweet country girl and the ONLY thing that differentiates her from a city slut is her environment. Theres nothing intrinsic about it.
What is probably closer to the truth is an analogy I made with fat people. Yes, fat people.
Living in a Large Canadian City, Im mildly surprised that I dont see that many fat people running around. When I google it at home the stat is 15% of the Canadian population is obese - probably 18% by now.
So what gives? Simple. The fat people dont come out much. They dont walk around much. They are at the jobs (or on welfare), in their cars, at home and periodically at the supermarket. Aka they are there, but you just dont see them on the city streets.
Same deal with the chicks. The good ones in the city are ‘in hiding’ due to competition from the sluts.
Basically what Im saying is Nature Vs. Nurture. There is some selective migration to the cities for sluts to be sure, and the city fosters sluttiness due to relative anonimity - but a genetic, or intrinsic component, still accounts for the bulk of the difference.
April 29, 2007 at 10:52 am
Hmm..sorry.
Got carried away. This is not supposed to be a scientific blog of Genes Vs. Environment :/
April 30, 2007 at 3:29 am
Damn you have good stories GL.
I’d have taken the bath in Russia. No two ways about it. Sometimes when you’re in the water it makes no sense to deny the bath. Better just to let it happen in Russia.
Any man who doesn’t understand the kind of advantages which exist in Russia in cases of needing to shake a snake, deserves to be conned the whole nine yards.
A Russian acquaintance of mine just separated from his Russian wife in Russia. His assets were entirely invisible to her. He had made his entire team safe from every possible scenario, including foreign real estate.
Yes, he will take care of his kids. He loves them and will see them whenever and however he wants. She has no choice. He planned his potential defense even when the skies were mostly sunny.
Cover your backside with your honour. Not so good for Western family lawyers. But much better than when fathers become the persona non grata and the vanquished.
How do you avoid the sharks? Don’t throw chum like a chump. Just as you said GL.
I had this discussion with Natalie who suggested that a man should not try to hide his success when he first meets a girl. I continue to think that to lead with cash is the folly of the socially naive and inept.
When oh when are men ever going to learn that money can’t buy you love—only an efficient way to buy a house for a woman you don’t like.
Plead poverty. After the dust clears, whoever is left standing deserves at least a couple of dates.
Another excellent story.
April 30, 2007 at 4:40 pm
A very true observation. Sluts are visible because they are aggressive. Modesty is waiting to be noticed and fought for. And the only difference between a city and a country slut is that the second is more known around and less selective.
April 30, 2007 at 8:39 pm
I become very, very curious to know what local Russian MEN think about Russian girls.
These are the ones who can explain how they truly are. They live with them their entire lives. They know how they can be in love and out of love, with a child and without a child, in a crisis, not in a crisis.
My first friends in Russia will be with the men. And I will pick their brains until I have the truth about Russian girls.
I do not search for an idealising of the innermost character of Russian girls. I simply want the truth.
The truth is almost all men would not say no to this Moscow girl’s proposition. And saying yes or no when a man has a girl is entirely dependent on how happy she makes him in the bedroom and out of it.
About Patrick’s predicament. Yes, I have had girls who have sought to create a pregnancy in order to position me according to their plans.
I will always prevent this from happening to me. I am expert at semen diversion. They can’t get pregnant if they ain’t got my seed… sweetie. Keep having Western sex and keep having the nightmares which can come from it.
Imagine how cheated such a girl would feel when she would finally realize that she could never “screw” me? She wouldn’t be so smug and arrogant. Just really upset with me. How dare I take this con, this deceit away from her.
“Well, you did offer. So, you didn’t enjoy yourself and get what you wanted?”
Yes, love, the once in a lifetime kind is a trip. But in order to believe in it and be, perhaps, open to it doesn’t mean that I have to be some kind of moron shark bait until I have it.
May 1, 2007 at 2:24 am
So, friends, who would volunteer to define what Mensafugee referred to as “the good ones”, and, perhaps, someone could shed some light as to why they are “in hiding”, because I don’t buy the “competition from the sluts” thing. The good ones should be above such competition, shouldn’t they?
May 1, 2007 at 3:21 am
This website has a small section on what not only Russian men but men from several neighboring countries think of Russian women. This site almost had me give up looking at Ukrainian and Russain women altogether, and taking a look at Brazil or Argentina instead. Although, my personal enthusiasm for marriage seems to be dwindling daily as I can’t see any benefit to me as a man that outweighs risk of potentially losing half my wealth, custody of and time with my children, and the enslavement of ridiculous alimony payments.
May 1, 2007 at 3:22 am
Sorry, I thought the website would be listed in my post somewhere, so here it is:
http://www.agencyscams.com
May 1, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Galvatron … Thanks for the link.
I read the relationships part. I agree with much of what he encountered. However, the cultural divide could be “his” biggest problem. He too is Canadian.
What is grounds for irreconcilable differences here is simple everyday hysterics there. And yes, they do not have to be taught how to complain. Complaining comes after, come in, have something to eat… and never seems to stop. Until you get it.
Why so much? I think that a major part of it is to condition you to think how lucky you are that she puts up with you “when you have so many other choices[in Russia].” Get it?
Simply thank her for putting up with you when she is in her complaining mode. Buy her frequent small gift “that everyone can see”. [Plan for this in your budget.] Brag to anyone who will listen how lucky you are to finally have found someone who will take you. Expect her to then show her security in your relationship by telling anyone who will listen how exceptional is “HER” man.
Essentially, it is a choice, yes? The culture of Feminazi’s or the culture of obsessed, insecure, attractive girls.
The site author had some difficulty with sharing. What’s mine is yours and yours is mine seems a good enough way to explain the general Russian way. Heh, if anyone wants to complain about a jar of eaten peppers from a friend who would likely go to help you in the middle of a winter storm without even thinking, then go ahead and whine about the peppers.
Many need no lessons in how to share. For heaven sake, who in the West will create a banquet for you and actually be proud of how much you eat? Etc.
I keep saying nothing is free. Devotion for devotion, and so on.
The jealousy part is also true. My take is that the threat from you may be bigger than the threat from her. In other words she may have had several experiences of seeing other girls go to work on her man. She knows she is better able to say no and likely is telling you that she needs to know AGAIN how beautiful she is to you.
She saw most of the looks at the restaurant that probably went right over your head.
About the high divorce rate…
My approach is to bullet proof your own relationship to the point where a Feminazi could have a longstanding relationship with you and then apply that wisdom to someone who is much more worth the effort.
And the full story on that recipe is an entire book.
Thanks again for the link. The more I can learn the more it helps.
May 2, 2007 at 5:34 am
I have found that even the good ones will lie to get what they want.
Case in point, I was writing to 3 girls, 2 of which EVENTUALLY sent me pictures that showed themselves wearing wedding rings. Despite my repeated questions about their prior marital status, they would not answer…only a picture they each had sent some 3 or 4 weeks after our initial conversations revealed the truth in both cases.
Generally speaking, I pursue those women between the ages of 18 to 24 for after that most have been married or are very savvy to the ways of MANipulation. City women do seem to have a greater propensity for immoral behaviour and you have to wonder, if they are aggressive with you, they were probably the same way with alot of other men before you.
You might be better off with a small town girl whose morals you won’t have to worry about for the rest of your married life. A girl that will not mind sharing your poverty if it ever comes to that.
May 3, 2007 at 4:44 am
I’d really be interested to hear GL’s input on that guy who runs agencyscams.com.
And I’d also would like to hear GL’s input about what Canuck is saying about Russia being “the culture of obsessed, insecure, attractive girls.”
And also, I thought that GL said that Russian girls did not show a whole lot of jealousy, but Canuck is saying that they do, and Jim (the guy from agencyscams.com) is saying that they do.
Note: I would make this longer, and critique some of Jim’s points, but I don’t have enough time because I have so much work.
–Luke
May 3, 2007 at 8:23 am
Hi guys,
jealousy IS an issue.
Canuck wrote, “The truth is almost all men would not say no to this Moscow girl’s proposition. And saying yes or no when a man has a girl is entirely dependent on how happy she makes him in the bedroom and out of it.”
= almost all men are unhappy? Nopes. Most frequently you’ll hear from your Russian friends, “I lllove my wife, but…”
1) …it is de rigueur to have a mistress too, even the more the cooler;
2) …how can man refuse a woman! “Take when given, run when beaten” (Russian proverb);
3) …you can be fed up even with caviar, so variety is vital; “good adultery enforces marriage” (imagine, this is a rhymed Russian proverb just commonplace among men… [implied] about men, not women);
4) …she isn’t getting younger (what’s the relevance of my own hair and tummy?);
5) …men are born to be polygamous;
6) …arousal is arousal, if I don’t discharge, my nuts would ache as nuts;
7) …oh, it won’t even count.
Ain’t such mentality gonna raise a woman’s level of insecurity?
Paradoxically, gals’ sexual aggressivity is nourished by it, and corrupts men further, in a true vicious circle. A Russian humorist said, “Female offer has overwhelmed male demand”.
Sure there are many women “above the competition”, at any location. But how many marriageable men would they ever have a chance to meet? And what’s the guarantee she won’t lose him to an easy catch bending over backwards to get him?
It taketh the two not to cheat.
Sincerely,
Comrade Natalia
May 3, 2007 at 8:36 am
To Canuck:
Hope you don’t neglect condoms, still? Back to my joke about 1 billion Chinese. Whatever semen control, this transparent lubricant that accompanies arousal does contain some spermatozoids. Perishable for the Boris Becker method, of course, but if into a favorable vessel, one is enough.
To Jesse Jr:
Wasn’t it just a ring? A Russian wedding ring is worn on the right hand, and traditionally lacks any decorations (though recently it may be covered with laser engravement or tiny diamonds in a row). Some women move it to the left hand if divorced or widowed.
Sinc., N.
May 3, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Natalia,
Why don’t you say what you REALLY think?
May 3, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Wonderlander …
“Hope you[Canuck] don’t neglect condoms, still?”
Yes, in fact I never, ever wear them. Ever. Why? Screening. And know-how.
Did you read the report which shows that the porosity of a stretched condom is larger than the AIDS virus?
Better to screen a mate and to know every possible way to kill bacteria and viruses. Yes, even the AIDS virus. Several, several. And some work into everyday lifestyle seemlessly. But what you don’t know about it is a product of the purposeful defending of the 650,000$ per butt of each “Western” AIDS victim.
Your butt is big money, pals and gals. And big money creates big coverup. Excuse me, “monumental” coverup.
May 3, 2007 at 5:59 pm
“I, in no way condone “unprotected” sex.” For heaven’s sake. However, what I mean by “unprotected” and the common use of “unprotected” are two hugely differentiated uses.
And yes, Natalia, never a condom and never a pregnancy. But a guy’s gotta be sure he knows what he’s doing or “I’m pregnant” will likely happen.
In order to have my kind of “unprotected” sex requires a remarkably different lifestyle than the Western model and a bunch more how-to’s than your allopathic physician will ever tell you. Chances are he doesn’t even know, or he’d be a Naturopath or a crack researcher.
In that this thread is about considering avoiding Moscovite girls, no-one should be cavalier about their health, “no matter who they choose”.
Which seques me into the serial monogamy/polygamy issue written about by the wonderful Natalia.
Are men by nature monogamous or polygamous?
My answer is polygamous by nature, but not by wisdom.
I said, “And saying yes or no (to the offer of taxi cab fellatio by a newly met girl) when a man has a girl is entirely dependent on how happy she makes him in the bedroom and out of it.”
Natalia said, “= almost all men are unhappy? Nope.” Meaning men are not dissatisfied by their “steady” when they “also” like a little on the side.
My reason for my statement has much to do with the issue of answering sexual curiosities before diving into marriage, “and”, the kind of sexuality which is practiced.
A perpetually dissatisfied male or female creates a perpetually curious and polygamous response.
In a typebyte, as opposed to soundbyte, it may be explained by, “lusting after your love, and loving after your lust.” Or seriously hot and profoundly loving sex.
Listen, it’s like this…
Why oh why, would anyone need to do another when she has shown you her both her profoundly loving side “and” her incredibly exciting animal within?
Can you get to her animal within without her profoundly loving you and other than Western styles of sex AND fidelity? No. Not at that level.
Even if she doesn’t see you and your
“extra”, she will definitely feel you. Girls in love are “generally” not fools.
I do not speak about “kinda sorta love”. I’m talking about great, or exceptional love.
Profound love produces profound desire which can only be satisfied by profoundingly uninhibited, freely expressed sexual openness between you both.
In other words, will a casual lover or one who knows that she is your “other” give you the animal within? Not in my lifetime.
Sure, ordinary lovers can enjoy themselves. But it is nowhere near as exciting or satisfying.
Would you rather do machine batting practice or be at the plate, two out, bases loaded, ninth inning, World Series game seven, three balls, two strikes and facing “the Rocket”? I could do hockey and soccer(real football) analogies, but I hope you get the point anyway.
Quality versus quantity. And you can only know this difference when you finally find your great love.
Fat people are some of the most malnourished on the planet. Thin people …
Love produces bonding. Bonding produces trust to let go of inhibitions. And the combination of lust and love produces true satisfaction.
In a nutshell Western sex can eventually produce mindbodynumbing boredom. And boredom re-introduces curiosity. And curiosity—infidelity.
So, how to prevent boredom and infidelity?
Learn Taoism, Tantra, Babylonian, and Shamanism. Sprinkle with a little Western. And bulletproof the fidelity issue when practiced within the context of exceptional or great love.
And you will see what I mean, and be so taken by the extraordinary level of satisfaction that you will never be either bored or need or desire to seek serial polygamy.
In a nutshell, monogamy is that much better–especially when one understands my context.
When you are that amped by her and she by you, you will naturally be pre-disposed to ask her things which you can get you bizarre looks from anyone who can never love you in that way.
Will most Russian men care about all this?
Not until they understand why what they’re experiencing and doing is only third rate.
What is the advantage to men? Complete 100% control over pregnancy, perpetual potency as opposed to erectile dysfunction in the passing of time and the kind of mindnumbing sex and orgasms that he will never know without it.
So then we are back to our question of polygamy or monogamy.
Polygamous by nature, but not by wisdom.
And of course, we know how important choosing well is in the whole matrix of enduring and great happiness and love.
Battabing, battaboom.
May 4, 2007 at 7:50 am
Excuse me, Hero, is this an accusation of telling a lie (based on what?) or a request for my personal opinion on some point (which point?)
Canuck, does “spermatozoid” read as “virus”? If only we don’t count _life_ to be a lethal disease, transmittable sexually. As far as I remember, pregnancy was the issue.
Sinc., N.
May 4, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Natalia… Moy(like my Russian accent?) dear.
Yes, of course, the issue is also pregnancy.
When a man practices Taoism he has COMPLETE control over ejaculation. It is very much about the conservation of man’s vital lifeforce. Sperm are more than protein on an energy level. Sperm is sacred. And preparation is necessary in order to retain the sperm, to re-direct it and to therefore retain this sacred energy.
There is therefore not the same phenomonon which often occurs to practitioners of the “withdrawal method”… (”this transparent lubricant that accompanies arousal does contain some spermatozoids”–wrote Natalia).
This “arousal material” generally manifests when a man begins to “slip or fall” into the pre-orgasm stage. And during the slip, some little guys slip into this pre-ejaculation material-as you correctly note. But you speak about information from Western sex authors.
I’ve been practicing Taoism for seven years, and no pregnancy, not one. So, the biology is confirmed with the results. As I have also mentioned on your site, I also practice three other methods, in addition to the bits of Western which also has its place….
When Hero wrote, “Why don’t you say what you REALLY think?”, he probably implied that he enjoys your enthusiastic attitude.
Whether he did or not, moy dear Natalia, you are a wonder. I personally find such wonderful enthusiasm completely charming and am always grateful to learn so much from you about Soviet perspectives and culture.
lol…
May 4, 2007 at 8:35 pm
“Excuse me, Hero, is this an accusation of telling a lie (based on what?) or a request for my personal opinion on some point (which point?)”
It was a joke, Natalia. I was just making the observation that you don’t seem shy about expressing your true opinion. Please don’t interpret that as criticism.
May 7, 2007 at 7:44 am
No-no, Hero, it’s just a mishear by a non-native English speaker. ) But I presume that my further discussions of Tao’an plateaus in theory and practical observations can lead to my banishment for indecent behavior.
(I wish I had a ready link in English to the “when what wettens” matters… but, of course, Shamans can communicate with spirits and charm the weather, so everything in this world is possible)
Canuck, and you wonder why our women are after your fellow men… )
Sinc., N.
May 7, 2007 at 2:36 pm
“But I presume that my further discussions of Tao’an plateaus in theory and practical observations can lead to my banishment for indecent behavior.”
God forbid that you get evicted!
If RW_man kicks you out, then I’m leaving too.
May 7, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Canuck, your comments reminded me of that Monty Python song “Every sperm is sacred” from the movie “The Meaning of Life.” Who says that England has no musical heritage?
There are Jews in the world, there are Buddists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then
There are those that follow Mohammad, but
I’ve never been one of them.
I’m a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They’ll take you as soon as you’re warm.
You don’t have to be a six footer,
You don’t have to have a great brain,
You don’t have to have any clothes on,
You’re a Catholic the moment Dad came, because
Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Let the heathen spill theirs,
On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can’t be found.
Every sperm is wanted,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
semen with more care.
Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.
Every sperm is useful,
Every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody’s,
Mine, and mine, and mine.
Let the pagans spill theirs,
O’er mountain, hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that’s spilt in vain.
Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.
Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
May 8, 2007 at 3:46 pm
“Canuck, and you wonder why our women are after your fellow men…”, Natalia …
None of us, however, wonder why my fellow men are after you. You are darling.
“God forbid that you get evicted!
If RW_man kicks you out, then I’m leaving too.”, hero
Apparently, I’d be bringing my sperm with me. batta bing, batta boom.
Just for the record, it’s great to find a real men’s blog … as opposed to the barking dogs of Feminazi’s.
God, hero, that song is hilarious! I’m still laughing. Thanks for the sentiment and the lyrics! Hilarious.
P.S.: It takes a whole village to raise a child. But only one real girl to raise millions of sperms.
May 8, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Canuck, you mean this is the first time you’ve heard of that song? Dude, you just HAVE to go rent the Monty Python movies. At least get yourself the CD “Monty Python Sings” so you can hear that song as well as a lot more that are even funnier
May 9, 2007 at 4:27 am
Yes, it’s true. Canuck was a sperm song virgin up until today.
And the guy who wrote it needs some very serious mental health care.
Maybe we should come up with a real man’s anthem? Whadaya think?
Thanks, hero, for the referral. After a long day of script sparring with the local Feminazi’s…
“I still remember …
“I’m a lumberjack and I’m o.k.
I works all night and I sleeps all day.
I puts on women’s clothing,
Just like my dear pa pa….”
Have you been able to figure out the Russian sense of humour?
Do they actually have one?
[I can hear Natalia's keyboard clicking.]
May 9, 2007 at 3:52 pm
I don’t know what the Russian sense of humor is like, but I’ll bet they wouldn’t understand Pythonesque humor like the Lumberjack Song.
May 10, 2007 at 4:39 am
Hey, I knew a Ukrainian girl who loved The Simpsons. Go figure.
May 10, 2007 at 4:22 pm
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May 10, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Simpsons look real funny: when I first saw them at stickers, without ever watching the toon (neither have I, still), I covered half a copy-book with improvised sketches of Simpson-faced characters in all emotional states, races, professions etc.
But can anyone invent something more idiotic than Tele-Bellies or Sponge Bob Square Pants? Each time I pass this toy kiosque, my mind hiccups.
More comments at my blog.
May 11, 2007 at 2:14 pm
You do realize that there’s a Simpson’s movie coming out this summer, right? Hope they show it where you are.
May 11, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Jesse Jr,
I agree that it would seem suspicious that these women have ignored your repeated questioning, and I think you are right to proceed with caution. However, it is true that Russian women wear their rings on the opposite hands to women in the west. Something that many westerners mistakenly misinterpret.
This is something I believe Wonderlander was saying. but in case you missed it.
Another point - Have you taken a look at Galvatron’s link under message (13) http://www.agencyscams.com
This site is dedicated towards avoiding the pitfalls in correspondence with Russian women. You may find a lot of relevance. For example there is a part that mentions about putting repeated questions in successive letters to test whether they are being read by real women or just scanned by scammers (don’t mean to be negative), but may be worth a look anyway. Help you seperate the wheat from the chaff so to spreak. At least then you will be able to dedicate your time, not to mention money, on the genuine women
I am in no way associated to that site.
Has anyone else looked at this link?
What do you make of it?
I would be especially interested in what GL has to say.
May 12, 2007 at 12:34 am
Just read your blog. Forget about the Simpsons movie.
May 12, 2007 at 1:28 am
I suppose if I was more “sophisticated” I would turn up my nose at The Simpsons.
But I’m there, man!
I mentioned my puzzlement at this girl’s enjoyment of it, to a Russian guy I worked with at the time. He understood it completely. He said, “It’s very Russian!”
May 12, 2007 at 1:31 am
That discussion about humor on Natalia’s blog reminded me of that song by Gary Lewis and the Playboys, “Everbody Loves a Clown”. He must have had a Russian woman on his mind when he wrote it:
“Everybody loves a clown, so why don’t you?
Everybody laughs at the things I say and do.
They all laugh when they see me coming
But you don’t laugh, you just go home running.
Everybody loves a clown, so why can’t you?
A clown has feelings, too
I joke around at a party when you are there,
But you don’t laugh, you don’t look, you just don’t care
If you wonder why this clown is crying
Look a little closer, inside I’m dying
It’s not easy to be in love, you see
When you’re a clown like me
I don’t know how to say that I love you,
Because you would smile and say “Tell a joke or two”
Yes, I’m a clown but I don’t want to be.
Why can’t you see the other side of me?
Guess I’ll be the guy who plays the part
Of a clown with a broken heart
Dreaming of your love and not knowing where to start
Dreaming of your love and not knowin’ where to start
Dreaming of your love and not knowin’ where to start
May 12, 2007 at 7:09 am
Re: Genes vs. Environment
It’s almost universally accepted in scientific circles that 60-80% of what we call personality (and intelligence, etc.) is genetic, the remainder being environment/nuture. This fact isn’t much publicised because it opens up all kinds of cans of worms, which aren’t always politically correct.
I would say that environment influences how people’s innate(genetic) “temperemant” manifests itself in everyday life…
Thus, an innately extroverted lady in a healthy environment would turn into a leadership figure, whilst one in a foul environment would become a bully and a slut… Similarly, an innately introverted lady in a healthy environment would become some sort of nurturer/thinker/intellectual… in a foul environment, she would become some kind of psycho
May 12, 2007 at 7:16 am
I had this discussion with Natalie who suggested that a man should not try to hide his success when he first meets a girl. I continue to think that to lead with cash is the folly of the socially naive and inept.
I have to agree with that one, I’m not saying project yourself as a hobo, but not seeming “too” rich is a highly effective way of separating the wheat from the chaff.
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Re: Cities.
Big cities everywhere contain the most obnoxious people. Personally I attribute it to a combination of materialism and stronger liberal influences.
#wonderlander .. but I would say the PROPORTION of “sluts” in big cities is much greater than rural areas. And I think the percentages issue is central to the whole Western women vs. Russian, etc. women debate?
May 12, 2007 at 9:20 am
Hello SoCon…
If my memory serves me correctly, it was me who mentioned about the not leading with the cash. For example: Don’t show up in a Ferrari. Even in the West. Don’t invite her to your multi-gazillion dollar estate. And so on.
Natalia’s point in that discussion was that accomplishment is important to share with her. In other words, here’s my sculpture, not here’s my multi-million dollar sculpture.
In the West, mentioning a career type gets you “typed” immediately. He’s a surgeon! Holy S***! And we all know the, “So what do you do? stuff, casual qualifying routine, yes?
In the context of generally those with much less, even modest assets in Russia is not how to introduce one’s manly character.
I also agree with the Born V. Made comments. “So, you’ll never be as smart as me, and there’s nothing you can do about it.” Try saying that in a typical government interview. “Oh, but we’re all the same.” Tell it to your momma, cuz mine it too smart to believe it.
I also very much agree with the personal influence of environment to which you allude in the city V rural comments. When any person, especially a girl, can think that her actions are invisible then this can show just exactly who she really is when no-one’s looking.
Rural virgin goes to The Big Smoke to whore her way into the good life—working girl. The lesser is, of course, the “Do you wanna? syndrome.”
And insofar as this post is concerned, it presents an interesting question:
Is my girl a virginal type innately or simply because of lack of opportunity?
My own call on this is, that girls who choose a mid-sized town, when they could have chosen Moscow, for example, are the ideal choice. No guessing about what she’d be like in when no-one’s looking, and no hint that her character is the Entitlement Slut.
If she’s in a city and suggests setting up shop in a rural area, then there can be no doubt about her character.
It’s good to have choices. Of course, most Russian women don’t and so prefer the survival buffer of remaining close to family–and generally speaking.
May 12, 2007 at 9:20 am
Hello SoCon…
If my memory serves me correctly, it was me who mentioned about the not leading with the cash. For example: Don’t show up in a Ferrari. Even in the West. Don’t invite her to your multi-gazillion dollar estate. And so on.
Natalia’s point in that discussion was that accomplishment is important to share with her. In other words, here’s my sculpture, not here’s my multi-million dollar sculpture.
In the West, mentioning a career type gets you “typed” immediately. He’s a surgeon! Holy S***! And we all know the, “So what do you do? stuff, casual qualifying routine, yes?
In the context of generally those with much less, even modest assets in Russia is not how to introduce one’s manly character.
I also agree with the Born V. Made comments. “So, you’ll never be as smart as me, and there’s nothing you can do about it.” Try saying that in a typical government interview. “Oh, but we’re all the same.” Tell it to your momma, cuz mine is too smart to believe it.
I also very much agree with the personal influence of environment to which you allude in the city V rural comments. When any person, especially a girl, can think that her actions are invisible then this can show just exactly who she really is when no-one’s looking.
Rural virgin goes to The Big Smoke to whore her way into the good life—working girl. The lesser is, of course, the “Do you wanna? syndrome.”
And insofar as this post is concerned, it presents an interesting question:
Is my girl a virginal type innately or simply because of lack of opportunity?
My own call on this is, that girls who choose a mid-sized town, when they could have chosen Moscow, for example, are the ideal choice. No guessing about what she’d be like in when no-one’s looking, and no hint that her character is the Entitlement Slut.
If she’s in a city and suggests setting up shop in a rural area, then there can be no doubt about her character.
It’s good to have choices. Of course, most Russian women don’t and so prefer the survival buffer of remaining close to family–and generally speaking.
May 12, 2007 at 9:24 am
GL, sorry about the double. Damm. I’d remove the first one if the option existed.
May 12, 2007 at 9:55 am
#Canuck
I’m aware that it was you who first mentioned about the not leading with the cash, I just quoted you and then agreed with what u said. For some reason, I forgot to type your name before the quote
I agree with your comments re: preferring a girl who chooses a smaller town, shopping in rural areas, etc.
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When any person, especially a girl, can think that her actions are invisible then this can show just exactly who she really is when no-one’s looking. [...] Is my girl a virginal type innately or simply because of lack of opportunity?
I think this is a little too black and white… I’m sure there’s an “innate virginal type” and “innate slut type”, but the majority of girls fall somewhere in between. It’s a slippery slope… the transition from virgin to slut, entitlement princess etc. happens over time, and has a lot to do with influences.
I don’t think we can say “that’s who she really is” or “that’s who she was all along”. It’s more like “that’s what she’s become”.
I don’t think the majority of girls who to a(ny) big city intend on becoming that way, in the beginning.
It’s often an issue of peer pressure, and jadedness / disillusionment with the passage of time, after one too many bad experiences…
Well, anyway, what you said originally still stands… avoid the big cities… regardless of the reasons, the probabilty of finding what ur looking for there IS lower.
May 12, 2007 at 10:09 am
“shopping in rural areas” should read “moving to rural areas” … sorry …
May 17, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Natalia’s adjustments…
There is difference in Western and Post-Soviet mobility patterns (more conditional) and regional disparity (more dramatic).
«…My own call on this is, that girls who choose a mid-sized town, when they could have chosen Moscow, for example, are the ideal choice. No guessing about what she’d be like in when no-one’s looking, and no hint that her character is the Entitlement Slut…”
Usually, towns and non-metropolitan cities are inhabited by people born there, or in the vicinity. Migration, if undertaken, is done for greatest opportunities possible. Key words “greatest” and “possible”. If she strives, dares and bothers to relocate, her prime concern is where she can have best education and/or work, reckoning realistically by her level of knowledge, skill, confidence, and support. (Keeping in mind the goal of the best marriage – as always).
So, “choosing a mid-sized town, when they could have chosen Moscow” sooner suggests that she’s chosen / qualified for a particular college located there, or has relatives / [family] acquaintances at that place to help her around, or can’t afford moving farther, by money, aptitude, and assurance. (A substantial degree of parents-child co-dependency, and general cautions and fears is characteristic to girls in the FSU compared to Western youth.)
And “entitlement” is not present in the Russian glossary.
Whoever wants to whore around, does it even in a tightest environment. Because the parochial culture places more emphasis on hypocricy than personal dignity. “Whatever girl, she’s screwed by some.” “Not demonstrating to the old gossips is enough.”
“…If she’s in a city and suggests setting up shop in a rural area, then there can be no doubt about her character…”
SAINT. Or a businesswoman. )
Promised a new post in a recent comment on my blog…
May 17, 2007 at 3:11 pm
While my big comment trails in the spam queue… ))
From a Russian hit song on the “Clown” topic.
“Who believes to a comedian?
Who wipes his face of tears, not water?
Does anybody know, with whose name on his lips
He’ll step into a duel?”
May 18, 2007 at 8:34 am
Oh! I didn’t want to suggest the idea of “going for Moscow if they could”. )) Millions of people, whatever sex, origin, funds, goals and morality (!), just dislike the general tempo and temper of Moscow. They find it too hard-working, hasty, loutish, offish and dangerous (let alone expense).
Also, widespread is Mentality of Inertion, that just doesn’t let in the thoughts of making any change. To a great extent it is based on community & religious sense of fatalism. A positive attitude is, “Handy where born”. More often, “the Joneses” say, “every cobbler should stick to his last”.
Ironically, if there might be a place that could win the Miss Congeniality title in a contest among cities, it’s Kiev. It charms many foreigners and particularly Moscovites to have a permanent residence, a secondary base or an escape here. Capital opportunities in a soft environment, with surviving traces of daily dignity and refinement like in St Petersburg but more comfortable than the grey damp SP. They even say our women are most beautiful in the FSU. ))
And at the farthest end of the scale, there are people who adopt the culture of eco-settlements. They are usually found at Internet forums related to naturopathy, New Age and self-development. But when women of this mindset arrive to the countryside, they are already married. “Very married”, in the jocular Russian.
May 18, 2007 at 10:29 am
Re: “Also, widespread is Mentality of Inertion, that just doesn’t let in the thoughts of making any change. To a great extent it is based on community & religious sense of fatalism. A positive attitude is, “Handy where born”. More often, “the Joneses” say, “every cobbler should stick to his last”.”
So, in other words, “The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.” Do I understand you correctly?
May 18, 2007 at 2:23 pm
I’d say, you enrich the explanation with one more correct meaning. )
May 19, 2007 at 6:09 pm
wonderlander said:
“Millions of people, whatever sex, origin, funds, goals and morality (!), just dislike the general tempo and temper of Moscow. They find it too hard-working, hasty, loutish, offish and dangerous ”
I think most of those criteria say something positive about the person’s “morality”, by definition….
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Hero said:
“The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.”
Always my philosophy as well
But should be subject to the proviso “EXCEPT WHEN DEALING WITH WESTERN WOMEN”; anything’s gotta be better than these “devils we know” 
:D
May 23, 2007 at 10:11 am
Water always finds its own level. And notwithstanding the Russian truism that choice of place of living is often heavily influenced by family and support network, a girl can always vocalize her social preferences or openly demonstrate them.
My own direct experience is that all people have an innate best fit–even when it can take them some time to find what is best from them.
And regarding the whole “Big Bad Moscow = Big Bad Girl (or guy)”, I would say definitely fundamentally yes.
Compare the time between relationships or meaining sex partners of a big city girl V. a small village girl. The big city girl has many more options and much more social stimulation/options. And these differences in options can highly influence her choice of how long between her Mr. Rights.
I’ve seen city girls with her “next” after a serious relationship falls, within weeks. A village girl, sometimes only after years.
What does this mean to the pressures on the viability of a successful longterm relationship? My take continues to be that a mid-sized town or near to one on the outskirts is the very best choice when a man seeks her lifelong relationship.
ENTITLEMENT…
For the men, this is like Skunk Cologne. This translates to arrogant and unwarranted demands. Feminazi’s offer so very little and demand so very much. A little like a barking dog. Everyone wants it to shut up.
Their arrogance usually is more than evident in their “who the hell are you” regardless to how fine you are. In other words, “Do as I TELL you or you will be replaced.”
Add that to the empty vessel which is offered up to us and the insult to our male sensibilities usually eventually translates to “I refuse to kiss a Skank Feminazi’s Butt anymore.” Period.
God bless the man who “sees the light” (GL’s mantra), before his life is gutted by the Cult of Feminazi.
May 23, 2007 at 10:18 am
Should read, “time between ‘meaningful’ sex partners”.
Also “when a man seeks ‘her’ AND his lifelong relationship.”
Carry on …
June 21, 2007 at 12:25 am
Guys, you are too hard on the women and the Moscow ones.
Why shouldn’t women enjoy healthy sex lives as well?
Who are sleeping with all these men if not the women?
There are women with money in their eyes all over the world. The chances are the Russian chick will be a great deal more fun than a Vegas ho.
Your milage may vary. I’ve always really liked Russian women - having lived in Moscow for nigh on ten years.
The lousy love making and excessive drinking of the local men actually plays in favour of a more sophisticated lover - as the woman will be happy to have a man who makes an effort in bed.
But totally agree with canuck on the metaphysical side.
June 25, 2007 at 11:35 am
http://blog.thismagazine.ca/archives/2007/06/fatspiration.html#comments
I know. I have an evil sense of humour. So, I’m sending this picture of female pulchritude, Canadian style… in honour of the Feminazi’s of the world.
Perspective is a wonderful thing.
Any time my future son would think of upsetting daddy, I’ll send him to his room, tie his hands behind his back, force his eyelids open with multiple toothpicks and play a repeating slideshow showing Feminazi’s. Clockwork Feminazi.
Medical attention will always be nearby–in the form of the Realist girls in the world… Russian girls.
You’re welcome. And if you ask really, really nice, I’ve got more.
June 25, 2007 at 1:40 pm
NO MORE!!!!! Can’t …..take….look……more….
Clawing..eyes..out……..
Need ..help…now…
All kidding aside, that was just gross. I know several girls that look like that quite well. They always complain about their weight and not being able to lose it with a minimal workout, and then they sit in front of the TV watching a sad movie, eating a gallon of ice cream every other night.
I belonged to a personal’s site that asked where one had travelled to, and girls that had been to Russia or Ukraine, were usually pretty thin. Maybe there can be some positive influence for feminazis there too. Although, I’d hate to ruin all those wonderful girls with feminazi doctrine.