Gentlemen,
As you should know by now there is nothing more vile or disgusting to me then to see the term “Mail Order Brides” being propagated on the Internet and within our own Culture.
NO WOMAN by virtue of her country of origin deserves to be labeled as a cheap commodity to be traded or sold.
This is ESPECIALLY the case for the Russian and FSU Ladies that I have come to adore and respect with all of my heart.
In my mind this term is far worse then any racist slur that can be directed towards any group or nationality.
It should be completely obvious that ANY COMPANY that wishes to market itself by using the “Mail Order Bride” Term is trying to paint a fraudulent and deceitful picture as to what is required to create a successful marriage and family.
Worse yet..
I firmly believe that any Company that uses the “Mail Order Bride” term is trying to attract the worst possible candidates for marriage on both sides of the ocean.
They are doing this for the sole purpose of maximizing their subscription fee sales by giving false hopes to the widest number of Men possible.
This is a very destructive business model that will only lead to more broken hearts, cynicism, and soul killing loneliness for countless numbers of people.
Any company that uses “Mail Order Brides” in their marketing is giving you the biggest RED FLAG possible to avoid doing business with them.
So on that note here is a simple top 10 list from Google of companies that promote themselves in this manner. There are numerous more as you can see from the total site count and you can easily do your own research to find the rest.
I kindly urge you to respect these ladies and most importantly to respect yourself as a Man by refusing to play this game and not falling for this degrading trap.
Thank You..
GL
March 15, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I agree and endorse your actions RW. Perhaps more such places as yourself and Wonderlander can also get on the band-wagon.
The very term “Mail-order Brides” sounds like something from the old miner days in San Francisco. And is used to label ANYONE not fortunate enough to have been born in America.
Best wishes as always.
March 15, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Don’t worry, I wouldn’t use the internet at all for finding a wife.
March 16, 2008 at 4:06 pm
How fortunately, one can clean up his results of Extended Google Search by entering “mail order brides” (in quotes) into the No Such Words box. Time to suggest a new option: excluding one’s content from other people’s searches made by the certain sequence of words. ))
…One more acid test: if a site sells ladies’ physical addresses and telephones, run baby run.
Faithfully, Comrade Natalia.
March 19, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Apparently America cannot get their minds around the concept that these women are not merely there for the taking. The mail-order-bride term is just too convenient for their purposes. I wanted to bring attention to the linked film because it seems like it would be interesting. I have not seen it myself.
March 19, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Hello GL,
Though it is unfortunate that Anastasia-International uses the term “mail order bride” in advertising, my experience with the company and the women they represent has been outstanding. During the several months I have used the service, I have been in frequent contact with their customer service staff via phone and e-mail and they have handled my pointed questions, concerns and problems with enviable professionalism. They have exceeded my expectations in most instances. I remember one conversation in particular with one of their reps in Moscow in which I sincerely complimented her on her beautiful speaking voice, after a long silence, she said, “excuse me, sir, I am blushing!” That may sound corny, but I’ll take it over the cynicism, and rudeness I deal with daily in my work. My perception of Russia and the FSR has changed dramatically because of my experience, and, for that reason alone, my investment has been well worth it.
March 20, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Sam, Anastasiaweb is the most crooked matchmaking agency in the world. They’ll actually send you letters on a lady’s behalf, and the lady herself will have no idea that it was sent. Furthermore, they charge $8 per letter (both to send one and receive one). Even worse, they won’t let you or the lady give out your private email address; all communication has to be done through Anastasiaweb, so that they can make money off of those letters.
I took my photos off of my profile there in the hope that the letters would stop coming, and I’m still getting 5-6 letters per day from stunning women. Am I really supposed to believe that these young hotties are interested in me when they don’t even know what I look like? Seems more likely that Anastasiaweb is trying to scam me.
March 21, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I too have been using Anastasia, and now you really have got me thinking. I have been corresponding with a great lady and we have a lot in common. I have used this blog as a guideline and check here often for updates. I am now somewhat afraid that maybe there is some truth to this.
I totally disagree with the term “mail order bride”, but that is what most people will search on Google or wherever to find these websites. Anyway like I said, I have been corresponding with this lady and things have been going really well. I have been planning a trip to Ukraine in fall to meet her and her family. I said that I was looking for a good recommendation for a hotel in Lugansk, and she told me that the “agency” will find a great flat to rent for the week that I am there.
Am I being scammed here? Is this some guy in an office sending me emails and the woman doesn’t even know who I am? I sent her a few flowers for Women’s Day and I received a photo of her with the flowers…so I assumed that everything was good! I just don’t want to go to Ukraine, spending a lot of money and time getting there and then have it turn out that the woman doesn’t even know who I am…or worse, getting mugged for any money that I have.
I guess I am just curious to find out what the truth is! Does anyone know of a way to find out if the woman I am talking to is really the woman I think I am talking to? Thank you for your advice, and keep up the good work!
BK
March 21, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Hi Sam,
I took what you are saying into consideration.
However..
These guys have been in the business long enough to know what they are doing. They have chosen a very specific route and image to expand their business using the M.O.B. term.
They know what type of guys they can feed on who will answer their advertising with this type of grossly slanted approach.
There is simply no way in my mind to excuse this and I still stand by my call..
Thanks for your input..
GL
March 21, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Jacque LeMoose and Neil,
Thanks for expanding on what I was saying in this post..
GL
March 22, 2008 at 1:19 pm
BK, I cannot tell you what a bad idea it is to go to a foreign country for the sole purpose of meeting a girl you’ve been chatting with online. As you know, there’s a high probability that you’re getting scammed. But even if you’re not getting scammed, you could go there, and the girl could decide within 30 seconds of meeting you that there’s no chemistry and that you have no future together. Or you could find out that she’s not nearly as attractive as you thought she was.
March 22, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Hey Hero, thanks for the input! I realize that it is a risky (to say the least) proposition. I’m not necessarily worried about the chemistry component as I am about the fraudulent activity component. Best case scenario: things are good, and I hit it off with the woman, worst case scenario: I get smart with the scammers and nobody ever hears from or sees me again.
Actually I think that the worst that could come out of it is that I get to visit Ukraine. I always have a back-up plan…and a back-up plan for the back-up plan
I really am most worried about the “scamming” component though.
Thanks again for the help, I really do appreciate it. So what would be the best way? Learning Russian and spending time in specific cities meeting women on my own? Not even dealing with any of the agencies? Just curious. Thanks!
March 23, 2008 at 12:35 am
Well, you’d have to ask RW_man about that. I’ve never been to Russia or the Ukraine myself. Had a disappointing experience when I went to the Philippines and met one of my online friends in person. But that was OK because there were plenty of other girls there who made my mouth water (and they felt the same way about me too!) All I had to do was walk around the shopping mall giving my phone number to pretty girls, and my phone was ringing off the hook. I don’t know if that would work in Russia/Ukraine, though. Anyway I hope you find your dream girl.
March 26, 2008 at 7:55 am
I believe that the agency thing works both ways…. There are many girls who make a living by meeting lonely older guys, then basicly making them their “sponsor”… Yes, they are your girl while you are here, but the moment you leave, another guy is not far behind. In addition, you and several other sponosors are sending money each month to “your girl”
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I think the best way to meet a girl here is to come here, then ask a taxi driver to take you to an agency office… (there are many)… for about 40$ you can browse the files, and meet the girl, usually that day. No long drawn out, expensive email thing… just a meeting…. If she does not speak any English, you will have to pay another 10$ per hour for a translator… (a bargin.. the translator can be your biggest ally… they can make you look good or bad to the girl…) just remember that all beautiful women, no matter where they live, know that they are just that.. beautiful.. and trust me, they know how to use that to their advantage.. even here.
April 14, 2008 at 1:41 am
Hi BK,
I just wrote up a post on that’s related to your question that you might want to check out..
http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/an-interesting-way-to-experience-russia/
Good luck..
GL
April 14, 2008 at 1:45 am
Hi Allan,
Thanks for the advice.. which by the way I think is pretty solid if you want to go the agency route.
Keep in mind that yes many of these girls are beautiful which is all fine and good but the bigger issue is how you come across. In the states many guys are justifiably hesitant when it comes to approaching a beautiful girl due to the attitudes that often come with that.
In Russia or the FSU you will be surrounded by beauty but you really should try to “ignore” that entirely as far as how that beauty affects you and your dating process.
I really want to emphasize that is more up to you then with her in many ways.. You are the Man.. You (hopefully) are the natural leader in this dance and (hopefully) you will carry enough of that vibration forward to date whoever you want.
Thanks again,
GL
April 14, 2008 at 6:10 am
BK, the girl is not the fittest reference on hotels as I once have explained, and it can be efficient to get all services in the pack… But if I were in your shoes, I won’t trust renting an apartment from an agency with so much bad word around! Hotel is security. At an apartment, you hand yourself over to strangers. And it’s not the girl that might be mugged or robbed. Bet the lessor (or the proxy) won’t even offer you a written contract, the more so bilingual, to substantiate your rights.
More on “real girl” scam… The ostensibly reliable contact data are easiest to resell in bulk a thousand time. They may even be distorted, odd, or “rubber houses” virtually inhabited by 500 persons (male marriage fraudsters like this trick).
I asked Joseph about the photo proof, and he told me of operators who carry around a couple of referrable cell phones and a copybook of briefs. To John’s call, she picks up as Olga. To Jim, she is Oksana… Why won’t she pose with flowers? With a well-noticeable variety of images that one Russian girl can wear in different photos, I just wonder what happens if John picks both Olga and Oksana. ) But given scarce communication, the more so on such lousy connection as that one gets calling to mobile from abroad, - all voices would look alike.
Scaaaary? ) “Who’s afraid of wolves, shall not go to the forest” (a Russian proverb).
Sincerely, Crabbed Aunt Natalia
April 18, 2008 at 1:19 am
GL your opinion on the term “Mail Order Bride” has hit home with me too. I make it known that it’s a four letter word to me and that I’m offended by it. Sadly, it’s almost the first thing people say when russian women are brought up. Today for instance I countered that statement with, “If I do happen to find a wonderful woman that I want to spend the rest of my life with and she wants to stay in Russia, I would be more than willing to move over there to be with her.” I then asked if they thought I’d be a mail order husband. The reaction was an obvious no and a deeper understanding of what I am really looking for an willing to do to find a wonderful woman.
SiSD
April 18, 2008 at 4:54 pm
I have read quite a few posts on this site and would like to comment on this one. I hate the term “mail order bride” !! The funny thing is if you say something about a Russian woman to an American man or woman the first words out of thier mouth is”she isn’t one of those mail order brides is she?” I think it makes them look cheap or they are there for the taking (which they are not!!!) You may be right about attracting the wrong kind of people on these sites.
I do however have a profile on Anastasia and will have to admit they do send the messages for the ladies without them knowing about it. I do have to get that profile off that site! I do have a profile on Amazing-Women and to be honest, see nothing at all wrong with that site. They have been very helpful and all the letters I have received (at least seem to be) written by the ladies themselves. Yes you can buy their addresses but I still don’t understand why you would do that since the ladies will give them to you if you ask! they will also give you their phone number and yes I have talked to a few and yes they did have different voices! Some spoke very good english ,some didn’t.
I agree it would be better to go there to find someone and I plan a visit this summer. If I remember right somewhere on this site it recommends to stay away from the bigger cities. Is this correct? I have talked to a woman in St Petersburg for a while now and plan to meet her soon. She is younger than I am but only by a few years,not 20! She has never asked me for money or have we ever discussed it! It wouldn’t do her any good anyway,I don’t send money! We have exchanged videos and she seems very nice and not pushy at all. In fact she seems a little more cautious than most I have talked to. Nothing wrong with that I think!
If things do not work out between us then I will probably go to an agency there or something like that. Always have to have a plan B in case plan A goes to pot!
Guess I’ve said everything I wanted to! Take care! Stephen
April 20, 2008 at 2:41 am
Privyet Stephen,
It’s maddening for me to even say I’m going over to Russia sometimes. Even, as a single guy, just saying I’m going to visit brings questions about “mail-order brides.” Actually I get asked if I have family over there first, then it shifts to brides.
GL has mainly posted about Moscow being very different from the rest of Russia. St. Petersburg is also a pretty popular place to visit though so it might have quite a bit more western influence than some of the other cities of similiar size… hopefully someone can provide you some information on it.
Having a plan B is very important if you’re going there to meet someone. I think GL’s posted that you could have up to 3-5 contacts.
April 20, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Privyet Sunny,
Thank you for your response! Yes I have done much reading about this trip and have seen many photos of the area. Of course nothing will prepare me for that first step off the plane into a world much different from the United States. I at least wanted a little knowledge of the culture ,people, food and sites in the city. So I am not going completely blind on my first trip!:)
I know what you mean about all the questions when you say “I’m going to Russia”! I had one guy who really thought you bought the women!!! I said “excuse me”!! I then asked him (since his wife is German) did you buy your wife? He got a laugh out of that but I had to explain some things to him so at least he now knows.
Amazing what people think of when they think of Russia!
I would like to visit Moscow some time though if for only one reason. To get that photo of me in Red Square!:)
I think everything will go well on the trip and it will be an adventure for me no matter what happens. I will try to make a few more contacts before I go. Thanks for the advice!
Stephen
May 10, 2008 at 8:29 am
Hello All, I am really impressed for putting everything on this website. I am really tired looking girls through web sites. After spending so much time, what I found. 90% out there god digger and wastage of time on these web site. Could you please suggest me any genuine web site or help me out. I am looking for serious relationship. I am not game player. COULD YOU PLEASE suggest me any good web site to find genuine girls over net ebfore visiting Russia ?
I will apprecite your help.. Thanks you
May 11, 2008 at 12:33 am
Top_Gun,
I’m not at all familiar with any of the Russian Girls websites. GL might be able to give you some kind of leads if you e-mail him directly at galacticlove@gmail.com
There are quite a few gents here that have used different sites to with varied results. Hopefully one can chime in.
SiSD
June 28, 2008 at 8:51 pm
I have quite a bit of experience in this area including traveling to the Ukraine to meet a girl off of Anast. that blew me off within the first few hours. (I’m currently married to a girl from the Ukraine and couldn’t be happier).
What I did to avoid the scammers (or at least smoke them out) was to retain a translator independent of the agency. I would get the postal address
of my girl from Anast. and through Anast email tell the girl I had a friend in the Ukraine I would ask to contact her. Then my translator would write/call them and tell them she would be translating for me. I figured if the girl was not a scammer or tied to the agency she would write me this way. Many did.
However, when I got to Kiev the girl that I had thought would be my Mrs. And I just didn’t “click”. She blew me off within hours. (Which turned out better because Anast. is not in compliance with IMBRA and I was afraid my girl wouldn’t be able to immigrate because of that anyway).
When I got blown off my translator was on the phone within minutes and had me lined up with 10 other gorgeous women. She also made the arrangements for me to stay/rent a private flat at a considerable discount and much better than a hotel. She checked on me each night and even checked out the girl I was writing to make sure she was authentic.
I can’t remember the original site that I found my translator on (some American translator certification site) but I’ll be happy to give you her contact info if you email me at e r i c dot c h r i s t e n s e n at h o t m a i l dot c o m
By the way I also have deleted my profile off Anast. for over a year and get letters daily so don’t put to much in a girls letters. In fact I got where I wouldn’t open any girls first letter because it was a waste of money.
Finally, the term MOB may seem something bad but the reality is if you are selling salt and decide you want to call it white granularly substance you aren’t going to get many people finding your store. So I have no problem with sites that use the term MOB.