The popular MRA blogger Pete’s Patriarch seems to have taken deep offense with my advice that Men should pay for the bill when they are dating Traditional Russian Women.
It was slightly funny because he actually goes so far as to question my “true gender” and wonders if I’m a “Mangina” or not.
He has some pretty crude but amusing things to say about your truly which you can read here.
In general he wants to imply that any Man like myself who take the initiative to pay for the bill on a date is actually weak and “sucking up” to women. And on the more outrageous side of things he goes so far as to suggest that this is merely a cheap attempt to “pay for sexual favors”.
Well I think it’s best if we stop the rotation of this sad attempt at spin and set the matter straight.
I’m just going to re-post the comment I made on his post here so all of you can understand what is happening and you make your own call.
Hello Pete,
I’ve been called lots of things in my life but to accuse me of being a “Mangina” is hilarious especially given the pro-men advocacy that both you and I take so seriously..
No worries.. call me what you will.. doesn’t bother me a bit.. My readers might enjoy your little slant on me as well.
In anycase Pete I’d like to say that I believe you are making a very significant mistake by applying your western norms of “equality” to every girl in the world. Especially to the Traditional Girls in Russia or the FSU.
You took pains to take some quotes from some of the more materialistic women that exist in Moscow which is where my source article came from.
Your first mistake is a very common one in thinking that Moscow represents Russia culturally..
Most Russian folks will tell you that “Moscow is not real Russia”. They say this because it’s a huge cosmopolitan city with the largest cost of living in the world.
So any quote taken from some well off “wealthy” Russian Woman there is going to distort the truth behind what I feel the majority of TRADITIONAL Russian and FSU Girls are like..
I’ve been living in Siberia for over the last 4 years Pete so I know what I’m talking about… So I kindly suggest that you listen..
Pete here’s the deal.
And again I’ve seen lots of American and Western Men make this same extremely common error just like you have.
You are probably taking every experience and information that you have about Feminized WESTERN Women and are trying to apply the same “defensive standards” to Traditional Russian or FSU Women..
This is no different from playing with square blocks all of your life and then trying to fit it into a small round hole that you’ve never seen before.
The TRADITIONAL Women that I’m inspired to blog about absolutely DESERVE traditional respect and chivalry from all Men.. ESPECIALLY Men who desire to date them..
You are dealing with a completely different world here that you can’t possibly fathom until you spend some significant time dealing with these wonderful ladies.
Far from these women being greedy or wealthy as you try to elude too with the Moscow article..
The average salary in Russia is still only between $150 to $300 PER MONTH…
That means that there are a whole lot of very sweet, kind and economically poor ladies out there who would project huge amounts of appreciation for a decent date at even the simplest of cafe’s.
(And BTW I take offense and so would many real ladies at how you suggest, even in pun, that sexual favors might be returned for this basic act of kindness during a date. Unfortunately it shows me and your readers that you have a long ways to go before you grow up and are able to act like a Gentleman.)
As far as typical first dates with Russian Ladies are concerned.. we are certainly not talking Lobster Thermidore here Pete..
We are usually only talking about a cup of tea, a tiny salad and maybe a single scoop of ice cream for an initial get to know you meeting..
If you try to suggest or push any more food on to her because you are surprised at how little she eats.. then she will most likely politely turn down your offer due to her basic sense of modesty that is deeply in-grained into her traditional Russian culture.
Let’s see.. that bill came out to a whopping total of less then 10 bucks..
So you want to show off your cheapness and go “Equal” with that?
Well Pete go right ahead and show the world what you are made of.. or not..
Pete it’s pretty sad that you have no comprehension of these most basic basic basic basic of courtesies which are designed to serve as the building blocks of traditional male to female trust, conversation and relationships.
So before you embarrass yourself any further and call guys like me a “Mangina” again..
Let me suggest one very important thing that you have not seen in yourself.
Pete.. somewhere right now there are Radical Feminists who absolutely LOVE guys like you..
They love it when you attack Women and even Men like me in the way you do..
They love it because it tells the Feminist that THEY’VE WON..
THEY’VE WON because they have succeeded in starting a WAR between Men and Women that they have wanted to ignite for the last 30 years.
They LOVE the fact that your hatred for them is there and that it quickly spreads like a virus to other men and women too no matter what their background may be.
They LOVE the fact that you seem to look at all women with suspicion.. or that you can’t even trust your own natural tendancies as a Man to show kindness in this form.
They LOVE the fact that you can’t tell the difference between a Traditional Lady who deserves your respect and kindness and the less deserving ones that seem to be permanently etched into your psyche..
(Aren’t your actions kind of like using a nuke on a city to take out a few bad guys? Well whose the bad guy now Pete??)
Your comments only go to show the Feminists that their scortched earth policy towards destroying trust and relationships between Men and Women really works..
Pete maybe your hearts in the right place in wanting to help other Men but you my friend are unfortunately foolish to the n’th degree for so easily falling for the Feminist agenda and becoming their very willing slave in the process..
And in so doing..
You have become a mere defensive reactionary to a group of shrill and bitter Feminist Western Women..
..And certainly not a Leader of Men..
I’m curious as to how you will take this feedback even as harsh and necessary as it may be.
I’m actually hoping that a guy with such an influential blog like yourself is capable of some small doses of humility and reason..
Until then..
Good Luck to you..
GL - Russian Women the Real Truth
I have little time nowadays to check in on what the other MRA bloggers are saying.
But I hope the rest of them don’t act like Pete here.
I’d like to believe that in one way or another we are actually on the same team. But if this is the type of “tone” and “advocacy” that is being promoted in the blogosphere from other MRA writers. Then I’d like to kindly suggest that they read an old letter that I wrote way back when to the Men’s Movement.
Until then.. I’ll just keep continuing to blaze my own path for myself and hopefully a few others..
Because in the final analysis there’s a huge difference between making the right choices to develop a loving relationship.
And being paranoid of it.
A wise friend of mine once told me that any belief system (no matter how noble it’s original intent may be) can be taken to an extreme and lead to some very bad and destructive things.
I know well enough to understand that history is just filled with many cases of this..
Well I hope guys like Pete get a clue because we certainly don’t need to see another one.
July 16, 2008 at 12:59 am
Hi GL,
I agree with everything that you wrote, of course.
But what really popped out at me was your qualifier “‘economically’ poor” with respect to sweet and kind Russian ladies.
It reminded me of one of my favorite sayings: “Wealthy and bankrupt describe your wallet, but rich and poor describe your spirit.”
John
July 16, 2008 at 1:04 am
Thanks John,
Well now you know why I made the point to qualify what I meant when I said “poor”.
And it obviously has no meaning on the character or attractiveness of many of these girls.
Thanks for your support..
GL
July 16, 2008 at 3:16 am
Hello GL,
Congratulations on a thoughtful, well-tempered response to a rather unseemly critique. A friend of mine, who has been a C.P.A. for decades, once told me that those farest away from a situation(in every sense of the term) always seem to know the most about the situation. I see that this is the case once again. I particularly resent the name calling this man resorted to. It’s an affront to every decent man or woman on the planet.
All of us, Westerners, Easterners, and Middle Easterners need to learn that the acceptance of basic courtesies, and respect for our neighbors is not a sign of weakness or capitulation. As a matter of fact, in better days, and in some places(thank goodness), it is a sign of strength and class.
Finally, I want to thank you for pointing out that men expecting favors for extending basic courtesies are juvenile and need to grow up.
Take care.
July 16, 2008 at 5:27 am
I was reading through your response and my first impression was that it was neat that I though you were using his words to frame him as a product of the feminist movement, when I realized that you didn’t need to frame anything, he’s acting in the way the feminists want him to act. The whole dutch thing, thinking that if the man pays he is entitled to something, having it deep in his brain that women are “equal in every way,” that’s all feminist propaganda, and if he promoting it, then he is simply doing exactly what they want him to do.
July 16, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Hi Sam,
Thanks for the endorsement. I like your CPA Friend’s quote.. I’ll have to remember it because it has a lot of common sense to it..
Hi Sunny,
As you discovered.. I didn’t try to frame anything.. I just simply saw Pete’s comments for what it is.. Completely reactionary and defensive stuff.
I feel that the stance and tone of Pete’s attitude is along the same lines as what is being blasted out by the paranoid accusers in this following article..
http://blogwonks.com/2008/07/15/a-new-low-for-fathers-fatherhood/
This article is a very good example in my mind as to why this war between men and women is so destructive..
GL
July 16, 2008 at 2:53 pm
I think Pete is wrong on every count here. I pay for people’s meals all the time. I enjoy doing it, and I don’t expect anybody to “owe” me anything male or female.
I would like to make a larger point about Men’s Rights blogs and forums. Clearly these guys have a point about marriage and women in the West (stretching that to include Japan from my sources there). MRA’s usually break down like this:
1. MGTOW - Men Go There Own Way - which is not about rights, its about informing men they need to do their own thing and not get married. It informs men of the disater waiting for them in the Western world’s laws, and Western women in general. I count myself in this group. Stay healthy, stay happy, make some money, but this important last thing - if there ARE women out there that are marriage material, I want to know about it. I want to seek them out and decide for myself. That is why I am here on GL’s blog. MGTOW has its roots in the Protestant Church believe it or not.
2. Marriage Strike/Ghost Nation - The Marriage Strike I never bought into, because that makes it sound organized and it never will be. Men are not marrying for their own reasons, and not to punish women. Ghost Nation I buy into a little bit. Keep your head down, stay away from trouble, stay away from women, make money, dissapear onto a tropical island somewhere. The theory here being in the West almost everything you do that involved women has been criminalized. That includes children as well.
3. MRA Slash and Burn - these are guys that are not just setting their own course, they want some payback. All movements have to have their radicals to get started, and these guys are out in front. Most are raging angry at the laws and women in general, but that tends to spill over into other areas. They are important to the cause, but they believe they alone define who is a true believer. They become elistist and the litmus test seems to be subjective. I appreciate what Pete is doing, but I believe he falls into this category.
I can’t say where Pete or any of these guys are coming from. One of my best friend’s wife just left him after 21 years of marriage, 10 of which she was cheating on him. Had that happened to me, I might be slash and burn as well. I can see where these guys might interpet women as 100% enemy and anyone that says otherwise gets in their cross hairs as well.
Here is the difference. GL could have stayed in the States and write an insignificant blog about how women suck and everyone that is nice to them sucks. He didn’t. He studied the world as he knew it, recognized the problem, and took steps to fix it. A HUGE f’in step. Seriously, before you read this blog did you ever once think “Wow, I bet things are so much better in Siberia”? Of course not, someone had to go out and make it happen, and then tell you about it. There is a giant gulf between people that sit on their ass and bitch and people that go out and actually DO something. I am not saying that is what Pete is doing, I don’t know his story, but I do know what GL is doing. Pete is spreading the word, that is good, but I think calling GL a “Mangina” is out of line, and more importantly inaccurate. I am a MGTOW, if that is Pete’s perspective, I understand, but don’t agree.
In the end, if GL is right, if these women are exactly as he describes them, don’t you want to know? He is there, boots on the ground, in the trenches, and reporting back. Providing first hand information, pictures, and videos. He does this not to make money (see any ads on this blog?), but say “Hey I did it, learn from my efforts, and you can do it too”. That is noble, to help other men facing the same inevitable trials that good men in the West all are going to face.
Some people talk, some people make things happen.
Mangina my ass.
July 16, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Randall as always I gain a new and valuable perspective every time you sit down in front of your keyboard and project a few well thought out idea that I totally appreciate..
GL
July 17, 2008 at 7:07 am
That was a beautiful and well-written post, Randall. It felt like I was listening to a speach from a statesman, not a politician.
I am twenty-one and I am also a MGOTW. This is my favorite anti-feminist blog because the author believes in chivalry and manhood and knows how things are supposed to be. I get tired of people who say men and women should be equal in visible power and responsibility. No! Men and women’s brains and acculturation are diffreent. The majority of women and girls should have less liberty AND less responsibility so that they aren’t free to destroy lives. Most of them can’t help it and it takes real men to protect women from themselves. I was definitely born in the wrong decade (1986).
July 17, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Hi Centrist..
Thanks for the compliment on the blog..
I can see where you are coming from but I’m a true Reagan-ite and consider myself more of a Libertarian.. So promoting liberty and freedom for all people.. Men and Women alike are pretty big issues for me.
One of the biggest causes behind much of the problems we see with Feminism doesn’t stem from a woman’s brain makeup.. It stems from BIG Government.
Understand that all Feminists are by definition Socialists (aka Democrats) which comes from the root of Communism and Marxism.
Modern Feminist act in an arrogant and entitled way because they have the GOVERNMENT to back them up. They want to have babies without a father? No problem they have Uncle Sam and his Welfare to take care of them..
Want to steal your husband’s children, property and liberty away from him? No problem Uncle Sam gives you quick and easy no fault divorces that automatically favors the woman.
If you take these socialist tools of destruction away… then Modern Women will have no GOVERNMENT oriented safety net and automatically start realizing the life long value of building a strong family.
There is always Cause and Effect in Life..
And unfortunately BIG GOVERNMENT distorts reality for people and allows them to turn into immature children who will never be able to see the big picture in life and advance themselves and society forward in positive ways.
The great economist Thomas Sowell once said something very wise.
Socialism or Communism turns normally honest people into Thieves..
I have seen the effects of this first hand to tell everyone that this man is absolutely correct.
If the system is setup so that you can only move ahead in life by cheating or gaming it then you will see normal people quickly de-evolve morally.
And this is exactly the situation we are faced with as far as Feminized Western Women are concerned in relation to Men.
The system allows and even entitles them to become arrogant, crass, dishonest and even thieving WITHOUT any consequences.
Take some of these very destructive socialist laws away and you will see Modern Women changing their tune instantly.
And the nice thing is that the principals of Liberty (and self-responsibility) remain firmly intact for everyone.
Hope this provides some insight.
GL
July 17, 2008 at 12:17 pm
One more thing Centrist..
Russian Women do NOT have any significant government safety nets to protect them..
Gee I wonder if there is a relation here?
GL
July 17, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Centrist,
Being a young guy, you probably haven’t had time to watch this in action. I have. I have watched as my best friends - attorneys, surgeons, school teachers, pastors - have had their life ripped out from under them by “the system”. The real essence of the divorce problem is the women have FINANCIAL INCENTIVE to leave their husbands. Watch the wives of very rich husbands, they will wait until their husband is at the zenith of his earning power, and then leave him. The reason? FINANCIAL INCENTIVE - if she leaves during his peak earning years, then that is what the child support and alimony is fixed at. If you were making 1 million dollars a day as a oil tycoon, and lost your job the next day, you are still on the hook for payments based on 1 million dollars a day. Naturally you probably won’t be able to pay that, so they will put you in jail. Period. Never mind that you can’t make money in jail to help your kids.
I recently saw an article where a guy had been in jail for like 12 years on a false rape charge, he was cleared by DNA. The day after he got out, the court have him a bill for $250K in back child support, and were going to put him back in jail if he didn’t pay it. Again, never mind that he was in jail and couldn’t do anything about it and falsley accused.
Assuming you are an American or read American/British papers, look at Alex Rodriguez. Ole A-Rod makes more money than many corporations, and he decided to marry and have a kid. The media jumps all over him when he is seen coming out of Madonna’s apartment. His wife is shocked, shocked, that he did this and the media screams about how she was wronged and how much this is going to cost A-Rod. Never mind that the wifey was in Switzerland with Lenny Kravitz and they have been having an affair that isn’t much of a secret. So A-Rod, the highest paid guy in baseball, ran after a woman old enough to be grandmother, who has publicly slept will most of North America. His wife is having a public affair, uses the Madonna thing to turn the press against him, and now she is set to go to court. She will take 50% of his assets, she earned nothing, and then monster alimony and with the kid she has a nice little annuity that A-Rod will probably be paying on for not 18, but 20+ years with the new child support rules.
Not take another Yankee, Derek Jeter. Jeter keeps to himself, doesn’t do a whole lot of public stuff. He has dated lots of high profile women, everybody said he was crazy for dumping Mariah Carey. Now look at her, what a prize, even her own lawyers admitted she was too mentally unstable to sign a contract. The difference is Jeter didn’t marry her. She can’t stick him for divorce or alimony or anything, he just moves on to the next, younger, better looking woman.
If you don’t think the system is stacked against you, wait until you see your friends stagger under this weight after a divorce. Its not just divorce law, its VAWA, its IMBRA, its every woman that will get preferential treatment in the university or workplace. It is the full force of the US government telling you that as a man, you are the mule, and you will pay that price. Add to that, every woman that has grown up in the West has been told every day of her life, through her parents, friends, movies, TV, magazines, music, advertising, that she is entitled, and superior. When things don’t work right, it doesn’t make sense to them. Then comes the Paxil, Welbrutin, and other mood altering drugs. Add in a little Gardisil, because the latest numbers show a third of all teenage girls have STDs, and you have a lethal mixture.
The government, the culture, and lack of discipline. Numbers tell the story, marriage rates are at their lowest level in history in the UK and Japan. The US is now 51% unmarried. Birth rates are dropping at unprecedented level in the 1st world.
I will drop some links in later to back some of this up, gotta go back to work.
July 17, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Hello again. Thanks for the replies. I want to clarify my statement. I’m all for equality under law. What I meant was that when a woman marries someone, supposedly she loves him, right? So why would a women be distrustful and make asinine feminist remarks and withhold sex? True love means absolute trust from both sides and for the woman, being feminine, means self-surrender. Happiness is being yourselves; men being men and women being women. There are exceptions, of course, but those are the exception not the rule. Most men would act like real men and most women would be homemakers if it weren’t for the hell that feminism and socialism created.
I also want to clarify my internet name. From a Keep and Bear Arms(.com) post: Obama is not a centrist. I am a centrist. I believe in everything the Founding Fathers believe in, but I believe in mandatory gun ownership, mandatory carry, mandatory militia training (no requirement to join the local militia or military), and I believe voting is a privilege, not a right. One would have to pass an intelligence, psychological, and history test to vote. This makes me a centrist in relation to eighteenth to nineteenth century American philosophy.
I know I am not the best writer, but I hope to get better with practice. I have many short stories I want to write for fun for I am finally starting to crawl out of my shell and express myself. Thanks.
July 17, 2008 at 5:35 pm
The classical dilemma for men in the feminazi world, some of you may have seen this posting on Craigslist or elsewhere http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/483318927.html
And the typical modern feminist response, even though the site claims to be satirical the writing doesn’t seem to be: http://heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml?necessary_repost
No wonder why men are going MGTOW or on Marriage Strike or leaving the West in droves to look for love elsewhere. BTW here is the manifesto found on the front page http://heartless-bitches.com/
July 17, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Looks like my first comment didn’t make it through, trying again.
Time to decloak and say hello to GL and company, this is only the 3rd time I’ve ever posted any comments on any blogs on the Internet but this is a fascinating topic and is worth commenting on. I came upon this site through a long chain of exploration, I was curious about the Men’s Movement and googled the term “women always marry up” then went to a couple of other sites like http://www.the-niceguy.com/index3.php which then lead me here(eventually). I must say this is an interesting site and unique in the approach which is being advocated i.e. turning back the clock to a time when being a Gentleman wasn’t seen as an act of arrogance ( as feminists would make it out to be) but the product of a civilized society where women were considered different but not necessarily weaker and were due the courtesy most human beings should be accorded. For those of you who don’t know what I’m referring to just watch any movie made before 1965 and you’ll know what I mean, women weren’t seen as weak, they were considered different though.
A little about me, I’m a 44 year old, single CBC(Canadian born chinese) who is currently switching to a more flexible career(part of my escape plan) so I’m back in univ. again and have the spare time to cruise the Internet and find interesting places like this. In reading Randall’s comments above I must say I agree 100% with his observations. I would definitely fall under the category of MGTOW/Ghost Nation. As a matter of fact I’ve gone my own way now for 20 years and haven’t been in a relationship with a western woman in all that time, I’ve definitely faded from the social scene.
I became a MGTOW mainly because I noticed that a lot of my friends, over 90% of them, became road kill when they crossed the path of the Feminist Movement’s “stealth soldiers”(ie women who’s true colors came out once the ring was on the finger). I’ve met enough women who really have the “men in skirts” attitude that they completely turned me off of dating. Luckily nature gave me good “radar” and I’m able to pick up on whether or not most women I went out with, even once, were stealth soldiers and I was correct 95% of the time and managed to avoid the trap many of my unfortunate comrades fell into, e.g. married, divorced, pay through the nose for “child” support, indentured servitude, rinse and repeat.
Personally, I’ve been formulating an escape plan for quite a few years now and when the time is right I’ll hit the big, red button and jettison my escape pod from this feminist infested society we live in.
As for Pete’s criticisms of your site they are more a product of pain, anger, frustration and a bit of fear. For men like him the war between the sexes has become very, very personal. Anyone who even looks like they’re crossing the line to the other side of “No Mans Land” becomes a target, he’s adopted the same tactics the feminazis have. Unfortunately, when you adopt the enemy’s tactics, you become like the enemy. Using the victimhood ploy is precisely the tactics the feminazis expect and will counter that men are never victims, always the perpetrators and that we are a bunch of lying bastards who are trying to use victimhood for our own purposes and attempting to subjugate women again and make them powerless.
Indeed, I’ve been called a variety of names by feminist women in order to attack/belittle my MGTOW stance, which I’ve never bothered to hide (but didn’t know it had a name!), I’ve been called such names as “Mr. Spaceman”, “Stranger in a Strange Land”, “the Monk” which are some of the more affectionate terms and many more vile names by the more aggressive feminazis.
I think this blog holds out hope for many men caught in the aftermath of the Feminist plague, like any apocalyptic scenario, the strongest, most resourceful and smartest will survive.
As the exodus of men from what’s left of the West picks up pace, what is left behind in terms of men for these medusa like women doesn’t bear thinking about.
The whipped, docile, housebroken (or simply broken) emotionally codependent men, the addicts, abusers, losers, users, players and head cases along with the criminal classes. This site is to be commended for showing that someone out there in the world is doing something to address his own loneliness in a positive and constructive manner instead of wallowing in their own misery and playing the blame game; wishing for someone else to come along and wave the magic wand to “fix” everything for them.
As for the FSU women highlighted here, they are indeed beautiful but I think there are women everywhere who are just as beautiful, but they’re just more difficult to find in some places then in others, GL just happened to hit a rich untapped vein in Siberia is all.
All I can say is keep up the good work, you’ve done what maybe only 1 in 1000 men would have the opportunity to do which is making their dreams come true and having the guts to take the risks considering the potential rewards.
Also you’re countering some of the more negative websites such as http://agencyscams.com/Relationship.html which seems to want to help men not get caught in the agency dating scams floating around on the Internet but when you read this site the guy is very, very negative on FSU women. Enough so that it has given me pause for thought in pursing such a course of action not that I’m the right demographic anyways, but that’s another story.
July 17, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Hi GRY,
Thanks for the write-up.. I’m glad to hear that you are finally deciding to make your move at 44 especially since you haven’t been in a relationship for a very long time too.
I know it’s tough out there back in North America dating wise so believe me I don’t blame you.
I can certainly accept the fact that Pete may be in serious pain. I think many of us Men fully understands up close and personal what this means. That’s why I took that possibility into consideration and decided not to full on assassinate the guy.
We all have to go through various learning curves in life and I respect that deeply.
But trying to fight fire with fire as a primary mod-us operand-i is not the way to go for the long term as far as combating the feminist.
I think Reagan said it best when he was discussing the conflict between the West and Communism in the Cold War.
“The West won’t defeat Communism.. The West will Transcend Communism..”
I feel that this was an exceptionally wise comment on his part.
I believe the same thing to be possible for Men vs. Feminism..
If we fight using the same tactics then that would be like exchanging a Nuclear Attack which brings about Armageddon..
Reagan didn’t do that..
Reagan focused on using the natural economic strengths and political capital of good will the US had both domestically and internationally. In other words..
He focused on RELATIONSHIPS..
Whether it was with Margaret Thatcher and Pope Paul II to form a united stand against Socialism..
Or if it was with the Saudi King to make an agreement to pump huge amounts of crude into the market during the 80’s in order to kill the price of oil which he knew would cause the Soviet Union to collapse because of their reliance on their own oil exports for hard currency to prop up their dysfunctional economy..
Now back to Men vs. Feminism..
A nuclear exchange in the form of fighting Feminist with the same type of fear and slander tactics is not a good or stable solution..
The solution again is the relationships we choose. ie.. avoiding marriage with American or Western Women and instead choosing more suitable partners.
The situation is so obvious to me that I sometimes don’t understand why many men don’t get it.
The primary “oxygen” which feeds Feminism is the distorted and vicious cycle of marriage and divorce which they greatly capitalize off of.
Deprive them of this “oxygen” by not interacting with them on an intimate or matrimonial level and then this political and societal disease dies off pretty quickly..
Why do you think I’m pushing this advocacy of Russian and FSU Women as better potential marriage partners so energetically?
Get married and build a strong family with a good and traditional Russian or Foreign Lady and you have basically made yourself largely “Immune” to the effects of Feminism.
Unfortunately however..
It currently looks like I’m in the minority as far as the other “Men’s Rights” sites are concerned with this viewpoint or “solution”.
Some of them want to get down, dirty and angry and straight into a frontal assault on a very well protected beachhead.
That is certainly their choice..
But even if they claim some type of victory.. I don’t think the leftover spoils of the battlefield are really worth much..
And it certainly won’t obtain much happiness for anyone..
I can only hope that some of dominant voices within the Mens’ Rights Movement shifts and starts to truly understand what Reagan was teaching all along..
In any case GRY thanks for the recognition and compliments.. I’m especially honored that you’ve decided to set-up camp here and contribute since after all these years of researching this issue you have not done so yet.
GL
July 17, 2008 at 8:57 pm
BTW GRY..
What did you mean when you said this at the end of your comment?
“not that I’m the right demographic anyways, but that’s another story.”
I hope you weren’t taking yourself out of contention with these women because you see yourself as Asian?
Anyways if i’ve assumed this wrongly then just let me know..
GL
July 18, 2008 at 2:14 am
Thanks for the welcome GL, I guess that’s what was lurking in the back of my head(what you mentioned about being out of contention) mainly because of an off handed comment I received from a friend of a friend(who is a Russian immigrant) when I was talking to him a few years ago, he said in a semi joking/serious tone that Russian women definitely do not prefer Asians, unless they were women from the Far Eastern republics around the Amur river region.
I wasn’t sure how to take his comment so I basically ignored him but I guess it stuck in the back of my mind. He’s an immigrant from around the Moscow area so I don’t take his opinions as being representative of what the general population thinks.
But economically I’m also not in the running yet as I still need to finish my education and start my new career so monetarily I won’t be in a favorable position for a while to take any adventures.
July 18, 2008 at 7:43 am
GRY.. Here’s something for you to think about.
Do you consider yourself to be more of a Westerner or an Asian?
For example.. if you come out of some impoverished Chinese village and lack any type of western cultivation, social & communication skills, or ability to travel and relate to foreign women, etc..
Then your friend is probably right.
But somehow I don’t think that applies to you now does it?
You should probably spend some time and read though all of my content GRY.
In particular you can read this post about nationalities and Russian Women.
http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/2007/03/17/russian-women-and-your-nationality/
You are right about needing to improve your financial situation if you want to walk down this road for the long term. So I’m glad to hear you are moving forward with that.
In any case I get the feeling that you are too sensitive (ie victimized) to your genetic nationality as opposed to the Identity as a Man that you should be CHOOSING and CULTIVATING for yourself.
People around you can sense these possible insecurities or lack of confidence that you may have. And if that’s the case then the more unscrupulous of these individuals will try to pounce on you because of it..
Trust me on this one.. they would never do that to anyone if they sensed that they were dealing with a Strong Man with a Strong Identity..
So keep working on your finances but also do what you can to strengthen your identity to the world. This alone will be more valuable then you can possibly imagine when it comes to dealing with women in this part of the world.
Hope this helps..
GL
July 18, 2008 at 4:28 pm
GRY,
Consider this post again:
http://heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml?necessary_repost
The tone of this is a bit harsh, but I think the advice in it is great. Even though it was obviously written by a western woman, it applies to Russian women just as much. Russian women just won’t get in your face about it as much; they’ll just drop you.
Russian women (even more than Western ones) expect you to be “the man”. That means:
1. Taking responsibility for your own life
2. Being the leader
3. Not whining
Women, and especially Russian women, appreciate a little bit of romance. However, you can’t ever give the impression of neediness to the woman. Russian women want a guy they can look up to. YOU are the one that needs to have the confidence and clarity. She’s looking to you for that.
If you don’t have confidence and clarity already in your life, you won’t find it with women. You need to first be the right kind of man, then go find a woman. If you’re not the right kind of man, figure out what you need to change in your life and go change it.
July 18, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Very solid advice greenlander..
Good to see you again btw..
GL
July 18, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Hey rw_man,
Good to see you’re still keeping up with your blog.
I’ve been off the horse for awhile. I have a one-year multiple-entry Russian visa in my passport. It expires at the end of August and I didn’t use it once! It’s in there unstamped, it’s such a waste!
The problem is that when I date American girls now I just can’t take them seriously. I keep thinking, “If this were Russia, I wouldn’t even be giving you the time of day.”
July 18, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Serious Bummer Greenlander…
You still have a month and a half to go.. So make sure you don’t let your Visa go completely to waste.
“The problem is that when I date American girls now I just can’t take them seriously. I keep thinking, “If this were Russia, I wouldn’t even be giving you the time of day.”
You are STILL dating American girls even after you’ve been here???
What are you some type of masochist or something?
GL
July 18, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Thanks for the comments Greenlander,
I was a “nice guy” only once and believe it or not I didn’t even know I slipped into the role. Once I realized it I “quit” the position as I knew it wasn’t go to be emotionally healthy for me.
As for being “the man” I had to learn that from the movies! My dad died when I was 10, so I didn’t really have any role models to learn from, my mom isn’t a feminist and is a somewhat traditional chinese woman so she taught me what to look for in a traditional woman and how to behave around one. Only there aren’t any out here!!!
My male role models when I was growing up were Humphrey Bogart(who taught me what confidence and strength were and how to be assertive when I needed to be!) and Mr.Spock(who taught me to control and deal with my emotions and not to let them drive me)
I agreed for the most part with the content of the site though was quite annoyed by the condescending tone. I’ve seen “nice guys” in action and it kinda turned my stomach as you can seen the ruthless manipulation some women will use on these guys and the behaving like masochistic whipping boys asking for more.
July 18, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Thanks for the link to your other article GL, I hadn’t gotten that far back in my reading and will have a look.
The only reason why I was curious about the racial issue was because of where I grew up. I was born and live in Western Canada, which is still one of the most redneck areas of Canada or North America as a whole(think 1960s Texas in some of the rural towns). My early years were spent in a small town where your didn’t push your race in public. I was in a situation when I was a small kid that one set of parents didn’t even want me playing around their white daughter(she was a neighborhood friend) because they didn’t want some dirty Asian kid hanging around!
Even now in the city I’m living in there are some openly racist white supremacists and skinheads who publicly counter demonstrate against the racial equality groups whenever they hold protests here.
Southern Alberta Canada is viewed as one of the last bastions of the white race in North America and it’s not all that pleasant because it’s attracting the supremacist idiots to migrate out here.
So I guess looking at the race issue had become second nature to me and that’s why I came across as not being proud of my race(which isn’t the case) but more of a case of self preservation.
July 19, 2008 at 2:00 am
Even if you are white as I am GRY, you can find yourself the butt of prejudice because of your ethnic heritage. I live in the Southeastern U.S., which has some very bigoted people, white and black as well. You won’t believe the flak I dealt with over my name and my Slavic appearance as well. Good thing the Mongol and American Indian blood I have is not readily apparent, LOL. To the skinheads, I am no different than you, someone to hate. I can imagine how much worse it was for you. All too many people are un-educated, ignorant and prejudiced against those who are different from them.
Taras
July 19, 2008 at 2:28 am
Hello GRY and Taras,
I am about as much a WASP as one can find, but the bigots and prejudiced rednecks will find something to hate about us all. Unfortunately, northwest N.C. seems to be the hub of the redneck universe, and it really shows. A little genetic diversity would be a great antidote, I think.
July 19, 2008 at 3:08 am
That’s true Sam. Unfortunately, small and weak minded people can be found everywhere…..:-( Inbreeding only contributes to it as well as makes the already shallow gene pool even more shallow.
Taras
July 19, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Hi GRY,
Clearly you’ve had some challenges growing up like many of us have had and I respect that.
Your biggest challenge now is to find a way forward and not to make these past issues a part of your life’s story and identity anymore..
i.e. you need to get over it and realize it’s in the past and doesn’t dictate your future.
Worrying about the racist around you is not good fuel for advancing..
Nor for example is continuing to mull and steam over a separation or divorce that happened a long time ago in the past.
The only way you can transcend this is to advance yourself and your own identity. Remember living well is always the best revenge against those who wish you malice.
It’s certainly not too late to try to seek out a good mentor or life coach. And this is something I’d highly recommend for anyone. GRY I’m going to be honest with you because I can relate to what you’ve been through to a certain degree. But the bottom line is that you’re 44 and you’ve got some catching up to do.. This is certainly not the time to be playing old dog who can’t do new tricks.
So don’t look back at when or where the wheels fell off your car. Go get a new set that are designed for fast speeds and long hauls and get going my friend.
When you are truly ready for a rewarding relationship that will become the next positive milestone in your life. I hope you find this blog useful and make your move.
Take care,
GL
July 20, 2008 at 10:54 am
The word “transcend” is the one word that all MGTOW need to concentrate on.
I had the privelige of living with the family of a legend in the martial arts community and studying with him for a year. He became my friend and my mentor. The most valuable thing he taught me was the word transcend.
I like to play competitive sports because I am good at it, and because there is a clear winner and loser. Life isn’t like that, it is full of grey area, and that is why I like sports - to escape the grey. You can’t win or lose in life, you are going to die, you are going to suffer, period. What you can do is take the things given you and transcend the negative. You don’t win or lose, you move past it, the negative has no power over you.
The good news is, if you are a man reading this blog, you have already started to transcend. You have seen what the world around you has to offer, and you have sought out a better way. You have to throw off the shackles of whatever issues you have - we all have - and move forward without the past stealing your future.
If you are angry, depressed, confused, I have a suggestion. Look at the young ladies pictured on this blog, any of them. I am sure you have a favorite. That woman exists. Every time I work on my Russian language programs, I think I will never learn more than five words in this strange language from a strange land. When I do, I look at one of these ladies, and I think to myself “What if she really wants to meet you?” Ask yourself that. She might not like you, she might not be what you would like her to be - buy what if she does and is? Wouldn’t you trade 50 dates with a Western woman with one nice conversation with Mascha, even if she had no romantic interest in you? It is hope that trascends the situation you are in, prepartion that leads to success, and most importantly action that yields results. Without action, nothing can happen.
Defy your past, defy your hang ups, and work toward your goal.
July 21, 2008 at 2:41 am
Very good posts from everyone.
GRY, ever thought of studying in Russia where the cost of education is likely to be 1/10th of what you’re paying now?? If I was in school I would seriously consider applying.
“Luckily nature gave me good “radar” and I’m able to pick up on whether or not most women I went out with, even once, were stealth soldiers and I was correct 95% of the time and managed to avoid the trap many of my unfortunate comrades fell into, e.g. married, divorced, pay through the nose for “child” support, indentured servitude, rinse and repeat.”
This “radar” is interesting and me thinks useful technology. Can you reproduce the specs here?
-M
July 21, 2008 at 5:31 am
I am lucky enough to have been able to already be bringing myself to this goal Randall. I’ve just spent a weekend with my family which I haven’t done since the beginning of the year and they could harldly believe I was the same person. I’ve changed on a very fundamental level as I’ve found a beautiful inspiration and motivation in my life. Whether you think you are ready or not you need to find a way to meet these girls. It will truly reinvent you as a human and as a man.
I have a definate ability as well to see the true intentions of a girl after just interacting with her a few times. I always though that these signs werw very blantant and obvious but apparently, according to my American guy friends they are subtle. Of course AW subtlety is quite a bit different than RW subtlety, and it took me a few tries to being to pick up on this new level. AW are like a 7.0 earthquake,quite obvious, whil RW are more like a 3.5 earthquake, unless you are feeling for it you would probably miss it completely.
July 21, 2008 at 5:38 am
Hi Manoah,
Yeah I’ve heard the Russian university system can be very challenging and that’s without the language barrier. The reason I know this is a colleague of mine a long time ago spent about 3 years in Russia working in a post doctoral position in Astrophysics. She’s an American who loved the Russian culture and said that Russian undergraduate students at least in Moscow(Lebedev Physical Institute) were way ahead of their American counterparts in terms of preparation and knowledge.
As for me I’m 75% done my 2nd BSc in Geophysics, I already have an Physics/Astrophysics combined BSc degree so I’ve spent a long time in school(10 years combined so far) already and I’m a bit burnt out on education at the moment otherwise it would’ve been a good idea to try “immersion” education.
The radar I mentioned is available to everyman with some practice, three things are involved.
1. Learn how to listen and I don’t mean simply listening and responding to conversation. I mean listening to the tone, inflection, volume of the voice and emphasis on wording, as well as the content of the discussion and reading between the lines.
2. Learn how to read body language, this takes a lot of practice but can be done proficiently. Go and people watch in a park for practice and borrow/buy a book in body language.
3. Combine the two and do it at the same time, listening to what a woman says while reading her body language at the same time can tell you a great deal about the “truth” content of what you’re discussing.
I’ve found that looking at their faces in general and their eyes(casually and not with a piercing stare) will give you an idea of whether or not they’re hiding something.
Also pay attention to the content and direction of the conversation without getting emotionally involved(ie not letting your rose colored glasses do the filtering), I know this sounds a bit cold, but most women are really adept at hiding their true feelings with some practice because they’re in touch with how to deal with feelings and emotions.
What most women are not good at but men are great at is logical structuring and consistency. Men can detect logical inconsistencies much better then women can in most cases, where as women can detect emotional cues that men are deaf to.
Cops use a lot of these techniques when interacting with people to determine if something is being held back.
And also listen to your intuition! Can’t emphasize that enough, non verbal and subliminal cues are very powerful signals and men are dense in picking them up.
I’ve been in a situation where a woman completely put one over on a friend of mine about her past and her current relationship status(she was his girlfriend at the time), I kept picking up these evasive signals from her but it was very subtle, my friend was completely deaf to them and could’nt see anything wrong even though I mentioned to him I sensed something was being held back on her part.
12 weeks later she dumped him for another guy she had met that same week(and was cheating on him behind his back). When I was having dinner with them that week she hadn’t had the time properly to prepare herself in terms of lying or getting in practice with her ’story’ and that was when I could see it. Of course many men are often the last to know what is going on, short of women flashing Morse code in their faces with a car headlight.
July 21, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Randall as always your words are filled with curiosity, hope and compassion..
Thanks again..
GL
July 22, 2008 at 6:54 pm
You know, I racked my brain for an appropriate response. Maybe I’m too tired or something, but after reading through the comments again, I felt that my earlier comment stands. So here you go, for your kind readers who didn’t visit my blog.
OK RW, maybe I was out of line in calling you a mangina outright. As a member (however much you support women) of the MRM, there’s no reason for personal attacks.
However, I won’t change my views of the situation. The fundamental disconnect between your line of thinking and mine is that you say Russian women are somehow purer in their motives and more innocent than other women, and that paying for them is a privilege because of that.
I disagree because any woman who would expect a friend to pay for her simply on the basis that he is a man and she is a woman is not worth my time. Russia is not Afghanistan, where women are kept in burqas and not allowed out of the home. These women are (according to the article and according to your commenters) earning big money and buy furs and diamonds and expect their male friends and boyfriends to buy them more things. Maybe there’s a difference in the villages and the city.
As somebody who has “unplugged” and now see female privilege for what it is, maybe I seem bitter by not tolerating even a hint of inequality, but I would still rather know the truth than live in a web of lies and deceit. Ask any of these women whether women are equal to men during the aperitifs and listen. How traditional are they, really?
Also, I understand that the really dangerous gold-diggers are the ones who insist on paying their own way during the beginning, and when they have slipped under the radar, take you for all you’ve got. Am I also bitter for acknowledging this?
July 24, 2008 at 5:30 am
GL, I haven’t been to this site in awhile. While I don’t agree with Pete’s name-calling and derogatory remarks about you, I do agree with some of the content of what he was saying.
I have seen an attitude change in women when they are made to pay for half of the bill, and it’s always been a change for the better. They no longer have this snooty attitude of entitlement. And even if they were already really good women to begin with, there is always room for improvement.
So I see it the same way Pete Patriarch sees it, and the same way an increasing number of Western men see it. Which is that they can either pay for half, or they can just not come. And I don’t care whether they are Russian, or Polish, or Zimbabwean, or Antarctican, or whatever they are.
And you know what? They have started to agree to pay for half, at least at the college where I was, because it’s getting to the point where the free ride is over for them, and they can’t get a free ride from any man anymore.
July 26, 2008 at 1:14 am
Hi GRY,
Thanks for your very informative post. You seem to have developed a skill that few possess in the Western world. Great technologies we have in the West, but sorely lacking in the psychological insights and ability to read people. Russians, by the way, are masters of this.
Subtle clues abound, we just have to pay attention and notice them. There’s a good movie out on this subject with Morgan Freeman. It’s called “Feast of Love”
I agree there’s a lot communicated that is not spoken. Being able to read a person is an art form that takes practice.
Good post!
-M
July 27, 2008 at 3:13 am
I’m not taking anybody’s side here, and certainly don’t want to perpetuate in-fighting among MRAs/MGTOWs. I believe that in-fighting among MRAs/MGTOWs had been a major reason for past failures.
For me personally, the question is not one of paying, but rather one of OVERPAYING as it relates to “entitlements gone wild”. Personally, I believe that all relationships, business or personal are built on expectations. Each person in the relationship has certain expectations which should be clearly communicated. Over simplified, if each person in the relationship is willing to reciprocate the other’s expectations, the relationship will be successful.
Of course, the problem with most American Women is that they have a sense of entitlement (are unappreciative for expensive gifts, meals, vacations, etcetera), have unrealistic expectations (the world is never enough), are narcissistic (think much more highly of themselves than they are in reality, think that they are much more important than they are in reality, think that the universe revolves around them), self centered (always think of themselves and never think of others), and are unwilling to reciprocate (take, take, take, and never give)… dooming any potential relationship before it starts.
For me personally, the question about foreign women is still the same… not one of paying, but rather one of OVERPAYING. The question is do they have a sense of entitlement, have unrealistic expectations, are narcissistic, are self centered, and are unwilling to reciprocate? If they do not have a sense of entitlement (are actually appreciative), have realistic expectations (are appreciative for small gestures), are not narcissistic (are down to earth and humble), are not self centered (show that they think about you through a number of different gestures), and are willing to reciprocate (meet you expectations in a number of different ways), then paying is not an issue. However, if they exhibit the same lack of quality as American women in these areas, I would suggest running fast and far in the opposite direction.
–ForeignWomenOnly
http://foreignwomenonly.blogspot.com/
July 27, 2008 at 4:08 am
Hi Pete,
Sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner.
Let me go ahead and put your comments in quotes below so I can better respond to them.
“The fundamental disconnect between your line of thinking and mine is that you say Russian women are somehow purer in their motives and more innocent than other women, and that paying for them is a privilege because of that.”
Pete I still believe you are looking at this from a defensive position which is totally normal for any western guy who’s never been here.
In essence I concur with the above statement for a large number of Russian girls I have met out here.
I’ve seen very innocent, gentle, and economically modest girls with a great deal of cultivation. They EXPECT you to be a good, proper and gentlemanly leader in any situation when you are together.
The fact that they want you to be the initiator and leader here is the key paradigm you don’t seem to be getting.
They are still looking for a prince and I mean that in the most honest and positive terms possible.
If you are the one who asked her out and if she accepts.. then in this classic paradigm you better be the one who pays.. You asked her out.. she is your guest.. you take care of your guest don’t you?
It would be a huge mistake to try to read more deeply into this from a feminist inspired “equality” point of view.
“These women are (according to the article and according to your commenters) earning big money and buy furs and diamonds and expect their male friends and boyfriends to buy them more things. Maybe there’s a difference in the villages and the city.”
Did you read what I said above in my post about the average wage in Russia?
Please make sure you understand that.. because that’s the average wage in the cities too. Russian Villages are completely impoverished places and I would estimate the average wage there to be well below $100 / month.
“As somebody who has “unplugged” and now see female privilege for what it is, maybe I seem bitter by not tolerating even a hint of inequality, but I would still rather know the truth than live in a web of lies and deceit. Ask any of these women whether women are equal to men during the aperitifs and listen. How traditional are they, really?”
Pete.. I’m afraid this statement you just made really makes me believe that you have bought into the feminist lie of “equality” hook line and sinker.
I understand what you are doing.
In your situation in the West you have to use “equality” as a way to show how “un-equal” and advantage Western Women really are in many ways in terms of legal protection, custody, divorce entitlements etc etc.
You tell a feminist.. ok fine you want equality? Ok I’ll give you equality.. pay half for your damn bill!!
If I was in your situation Pete i would probably do the same thing..
But these Russian Women are NOT Feminist as you are accustomed to in your homeland.. Please understand that..
And one more thing..
Any man who really understands Russian Women will understand that he has a GOLDEN opportunity to end the fighting that he’s had to do against western women for so long.
If you are looking to keep fighting well ok that’s your bag..
But personally I don’t think that’s a very happy or peaceful existence.
But if you are looking for a real chance to be emotionally and morally supported as a Man in ways that you can only dream of. Then you need to drop the shield and the weapons and learn how to be a traditional man who naturally leads.
July 27, 2008 at 4:15 am
Hi FWO,
Yes we do have our share of materialistic entitled women out here too.. but they are far in the minority as far as I’m concerned.
All anyone needs to look for in a girl is class, graciousness and real HUMILITY.
It’s impossible to “overpay” for a girl like that because honestly unless you like to stupidly throw money around to try to impress people.. a girl like this would never put you into a position of acting “entitled” like you describe and embarrassing you with some big expectation of expensive meals or gifts.
Come over here and find out for yourself.
July 27, 2008 at 4:19 am
Pete one more thing I realized..
If a Man never takes the “RISK” to drop his guard in the presence of a real lady..
Then he will never enjoy the “REWARD” of discovering what I’m talking about in the most sincerest ways possible.
July 28, 2008 at 2:55 am
rw_man,
I’ve said a million times, and will say a million more times that foreign women (from any county) should be judged on your own real life observations of spending substantial time in the foreign country in question. I was not making any judgements (bad or good) about the women over there or suggesting what percentage are materialistic and entitled.
I was saying that for women with the mentioned negative qualities that paying would be overpaying, but for women with the mentioned positive qualities that paying would not be overpaying, and therefore not even be an issue. You are correct… I have first hand experience with foreign women, but not Russian women specifically. Therefore, to be fair to both perspectives, I mentioned both types of women in my analysis.
Sincerely,
FWO
July 30, 2008 at 11:40 am
Pete:
“I would still rather know the truth than live in a web of lies and deceit. Ask any of these women whether women are equal to men during the aperitifs and listen. How traditional are they, really?”
Snejana:
“Morals and values are absolutely different in my country and in the west. The simplest example is that russian women cook for their men, clean the house and look after children without any nanny. From what i know western women don’t do it. Another point is that russian women usually got married at the age of 20-25. And if they have a choice between marriage and carrier they won’t hesitate a second. If a russsian woman doesn’t have children at the age of 25 it means that she is not a “normal” woman.”
For Pete or any decent men out there question is why even bother???
Dollars saved going out on a date with a feminist with her paying half ==> $20.00
Potential financial, emotional and spiritual liability and damage from marrying a feminist ==> ENORMOUS, LIMITLESS
Having a good gal cook for you when you arrive home to see your place in pristine condition ==> Priceless
Again,
*** WHY BOTHER?? ***
-M
July 31, 2008 at 11:31 am
Manoah, that’s beautiful. Poetic, even.
GL, make no mistake - I’ve paid for dates, and will likely to do so in the future. Its the cheapest way of getting laid, its a crowd pleaser, so I’ll continue to do that. My blog is a platform for me to say that its not right because it would be counterproductive to do that out here in the real world.
July 31, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Hello Pete.
Just curious:
So in which world exactly DO you pay for dates -if it’s “counterproductive” in the “real world”?
Also, if your interest is simply in “getting laid” you may want to consider that this blog is geared more toward people who are looking for future family, for commitments and traditional life structure than for immediate self-satisfaction.
You seem to not be sure exactly what you want or what your goals are. In a previous comment, you said you hate any manifestation of inequality, but at the same time indicate that you’re looking for a traditional woman. These things, as far as recent history has shown us, don’t mix well.
I would have thought you would agree that in any human relationship dynamic, there is no such thing as practical equality. Someone must lead. Instead of holding your strength and leading, you’re going to whine that women don’t hand you equality? Good luck finding a traditional woman on that platform.
A little clarity…
Doamna
August 16, 2008 at 12:55 am
I have been in both shoes, so to speak.
I do agree that Pete is judging by his own circumstances. I have to shift gears big time when I come into Mexico from the States. In the US, if I see a woman with a flat tire, I press on the accelerator to get out of the area. In Mexico, I would stop to help, though I would remain alert to my surroundings, just in case a man with a club is hiding behind the trees.
When I am walking down the street in the US, I act like an antebellum slave or a Fifties Mississippi black man. I keep my eyes down and attempt to avoid any eye contact with women, or let them know I notice them. One never knows when a nut is going to imagine a man is lusting after her fat, ugly, disgusting body and make a scene. When a nut makes a scene, the man goes to jail, period.
In fact, I have written that when I am forced by family issues to go back to the States, I feel like a soldier in Nam who was dropped off in enemy territory and told the chopper would be back in two weeks. The difference is the soldier got ammo; bayonet; claymore mines; and other goodies to defend himself with. I get nothing.
When I cross back into Reynosa, which has recently been a full fledged war zone, I let out a sigh of relief. I am safe again. If I get shot in Reynosa, okay, so I die. I won’t get tossed in prison for twenty years on a false rape charge.
Here in Mexico, when I say Buenos Dias to a woman in the street, I get a soft sweet response and a smile. When I walk down the street, little girls come running out for a forehead kiss. Their mothers do not call the cops because I talked to their kids (maybe in Russia you missed that one; the guy had to put up $100,000 USD bond for talking to some kids in a public place). Instead, the mothers smile at me, and thank me for being affectionate with their little girls.
So, Pete is right about paying for dates in the US, but he has not experienced the FW and the foreign society, so has no idea why his view is not correct for Russia. Or Mexico.
And, I am confident rw_man is correct about feminine foreign women. I am there, and know personally what he is talking about. You would swear you are on a different planet.
I recommend to all AM they get out, or start on an exit plan. I realize not all men have the courage or ambition or adaptability to move to another country, but to me it is the ideal that should at least be held up to all men.
One more thing. The comments about Pete helping the feminists win with his bad attitude. Let me shout this to the world: THE FEMINISTS WON. Everyone whose head is where the sun shines knows this. Anyone who thinks Pete is enabling feminists has missed the last forty years.
I encountered this same attitude during my public activism period, 1978 till 1993. Real men, it seems, are supposed to pretend feminists are of no importance. Which is why feminists won. Which is why one has to go to a foreign country to find a real woman.
August 17, 2008 at 1:39 am
MRAs/MGTOWs should join up as MDWTW
Men Doing What They Want