Interesting. Very Very Interesting.
Imagine my astonishment to see an article about Russian Women in Forbes Magazine of all places.
I thoroughly enjoyed it but I felt that the author, Melik Kayan, had no choice but to protect his rear by writing it in a semi PC form.
However inspite of his nebulous narrative.
I think his message and intent is QUITE obvious.. especially given that Forbes is primarily picked up by independent minded and successful Men.
So sound off and let me know what you think the real meaning is behind his title… ”The Natasha Syndrome”
Forbes
Hubble-Bubble
The Natasha Syndrome
Melik Kayan, 11.24.08, 12:01 AM EST
A meditation on Russian women.
The current Bond film serves up the first authentically Russian Bond Girl for our delectation–the lustrous-limbed Olga Kurylenko. No doubt the producers felt that a Bond who looks and acts like Putin in so many ways–laconic, icy, not-quite-human votary of the martial cults–deserves at his side a genuine Russkie-ette, or should I say “Natasha.” That would be the more proper euphemism, especially as Ms. Kurylenko is Ukranski and not Russkie. (Please limit your outraged responses to three lines or less.)
Some 10 years ago, I was sent by a prominent American magazine to Moscow to explore the “Natasha Syndrome,” as it was then widely called. In the years after the Iron Curtain’s collapse, a nubile tide of female adventurers swept out of the former Soviet geosphere to seek their fortune in hard currency around the world by deploying their charms. Not Africa so much, but every other continent was inundated with them from Japan and China to Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Europe.
In Turkey, the natives called it the New Russian Revolution because it caused a social upheaval along Turkey’s Black Sea coast–a stony seat of unreconstructed male chauvinism and a mere boat-ride away from the Crimea. Suddenly, the men found it was raining blondes. A popular song on the subject blared from every taxi cassette player. “Oy Natasha, oy Natasha, oy oy oy” went the chorus. Local wives and daughters took to the streets in anger carrying placards saying “Natasha Go Home” and “Keep Your Legs Shut.”
It caused a palpable transformation in the steely, unyielding, temperament of the mustachioed menfolk of the area: They developed a new love of life, grew almost Californian in their mellowness. Rampant Russkiephilia had unmanned them en masse.
The Natasha Syndrome–that’s what the world dubbed it, and it was everywhere. Everywhere, but not, apparently, in New York. No mention could be found in the media during those pre-Internet years of the mid-1990s. No Natashas? Brooklyn was full of them. But political correctness had dimmed the joy and truth of American public speech and nobody would acknowledge the phenomenon in print. So I proposed a story to New York magazine, got the assignment and had a splendid time researching.
The article never appeared in New York magazine because the editrix in charge of my work was a hardened lefty-feminist. The very premise of the assignment offended her, not least because her boss, a male of the species, had insensitively assigned it to another male of the species. In her view, only women could write about women. So I took the idea elsewhere and was sent by Details to research it at its source, in Moscow.
My first and most abiding impression? The astonishing concentration of pulchritude visible to the impartial observer, a natural phenomenon, an empirical anomaly. Why had no one in the West mentioned this? We had all been persuaded that women beyond the Iron Curtain consistently resembled Olympic discus-throwers sporting grimy teeth, hairy armpits and hairier underwear.
We had lived under a subtle cloud of Cold War cultural indoctrination, which one might summarize, unsubtly, as: “Our women look more fab, our blondes have more fun, our system is better.” We ordinary citizens had nothing to compare with–the Soviets didn’t advertise their beauties. In fact, in the post-Soviet 1990s, the average Natasha-esque type of the time evoked not so much our proto-notions of Russkilinear features but rather the Italian variety of lush-lipped, almond-eyed beauty from Sophia Loren to Ornella Muti. They shared that quality of hard-earned mysterious sadness molded by disillusion.
Natashas had plenty to be sad about. Overnight, they’d had to adjust their teenage-dream models of romance and male heroism from artists and doctors who loved Led Zeppelin to bull-headed, snub-nosed brutes ringed by bodyguards. An unforgiving dilemma: Brutes equaled funds equaled survival, while intellectuals equaled lofty-minded incompetence.
Often mafia brutes kept Natashas, and the Natashas in turn kept their own beloved astrophysicists. The average Natasha didn’t know what to feel, what to regret or what to admit. When I asked them if they felt ashamed, they would first wax defiant, as in “Why? Your women have been chasing rich men for centuries–you call it capitalism. So this is capitalism. We are new to it, that’s all.” But the most perceptive admitted that they felt ashamed … about everything–and ultimately, about nothing.
During that time, foreign men were highly prized. They had currency in dollars, decent manners and a clarity of tradition. As a Russkie-ette, you never told the truth about yourself to foreign men. Perhaps they might even propose marriage. On the other hand, you didn’t bother even to tell lies to local men. They didn’t care either way. Then some five years later, Bush-era foreign policy actions flooded petrodollars into the Russkiesphere, and at least in Moscow, foreign men lost their appeal. Oligarchs slimmed down, turned philanthropic and patriotic, while intellectuals became businessmen. Natashas learned to love their brutes.
I should say that I never took advantage of my status as an amateur anthropologist. I’d grown up in an era when the KGB were the oligarchs of the time, and all Russian women came with strings attached … so one had heard. I believed that still to be true to some extent, mistakenly no doubt. Now that the oligarchs are all KGB, it may be true once more. Foreign men have suddenly become suspect again, a liability and relatively poorer anyway.
Indeed, it appears that a branch of the Communist Party of Moscow has publicly condemned Bond Girl Olga Kurylenko for sleeping with the enemy in the form of James Bond. But perhaps it’s a publicity hoax. Still, as the petrodollars dry up, the wheel may spin another quarter. Who will they turn to for solace next? Georgians?
Melik Kaylan, a writer based in New York, writes a weekly column for Forbes.com. His story “Georgia In The Time of Misha” is featured in The Best American Travel Writing 2008.
(read the original article here)

November 26, 2008 at 2:35 am
Great picture, great article…
thank you very much.
November 26, 2008 at 11:14 am
I sense that the auther is a Turk. It seems to be in thier national character to be obsessed with Russian women knowing nothing about them along with refering to them as Natashas and expect them all to be blondes.
November 26, 2008 at 11:53 am
As one who is married to a Russian woman, I can state for the record that American men have not lost their appeal to the women of Russia. At least not traditional, well mannered American men. Seriously, look at that picture. Why would you give american women a second thought?
November 26, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Do American women not look like the girls in the pic?
They are beautiful, but do I see girls looking like that in Europe in the summer a lot.
November 26, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Bella, many do. I live in Southern California and am surrounded daily by feminine beauty of many, many ethnicities and genetic mixes. I just returned from getting coffee, and even at this early hour passed many a lovely lady on the sidewalk. This time I noticed beauties descended from Italy, Korea, Japan, somewhere in Central America, and, yes, Russian (or Ukrainian, mayhaps).
The girl on the right in the photo, by the way, looks a lot like my first girlfriend, who was of mixed, mostly Western European, heritage.
November 26, 2008 at 4:09 pm
GL
Which bits of the article strike you as PC?
D
November 26, 2008 at 7:49 pm
GL,
After reading all (yes, ALL) of your blogs on this site, along with most of the comments associated with them, I have to say you have a great site! I really appreciate your information from the perspective of an American man in Russia. You make some great insights into the lives of not just the women, but of everyone. You also do not sugar coat anything either; you really tell it like it is and let people decide for themselves, which I think is great.
The pictures of the women are amazing! I can tell you have some photography skill. But then again, it is much easier when what you are photographing has such stunning beauty:)
To be honest, I found this site by accident as I was searching for some more information on Russian women, as I plan to be visiting some FSU countries in the future. Of course I have taken a keen interest in the lovely women (it is hard NOT to), but I have found that there is much beauty to that part of the world just lying beneath the surface, yet to be discovered. So naturally, I want to know as much as I can.
I cannot say that I am as anti-feminist as you and some others are, but that is probably more due to lack of knowledge about it on my part than anything. At the same time, I am just as frustrated at the current dating culture here in America as everyone else. Unfortunately, it is getting worse instead of better. Which is why I have expanded my horizons to other avenues. Although, once I came across the lovely ladies of the FSU, it was hard for me look any further!
Being a traditional family-oriented man with good Christian morals and values, I can really appreciate these FSU women who are “cut from the same mold” sort of speak, even though we are halfway around the world. While just about anyone can take a decent picture, it is the INTERNAL beauty of these ladies that makes them so special. The way their natural femininity shines through in everything they say and do is quite remarkable, especially given the situation they face every day of their lives. I am not implying they are desperate or anything, but that it is hard to imagine most Western women (especially the younger ones) being as mature and responsible for their lives, and look good doing it.
But I just wanted to make my presence known here. I hope I can contribute to further discussions here, and learn some while I am at it. Thanks GL for creating and maintaining this blog. I hope we can all benefit from it in a positive way!
November 26, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Some comments to the ladies of Russia and the FSU that read this blog:
I am glad that you are here, and that you read and maybe even contribute to this blog! I am just as interested to learn about you, as you are to learn about guys like me. So I just want to say thank you in advance for your input, and for being the lovely ladies that you are!
I must admit that I do not know as much Russian as I would like, but I am learning. I am grateful that you have taken the time and effort to learn English so that we can communicate better. However, they say that only 7% of communication is verbal anyway, so I suppose I will just have to make the trip over to experience that other 93% for myself! I can already tell from the numerous pictures and videos that you have a kind of subtle, refined inner beauty that begs to be explored. While all women have a mysterious quality about them, I find that Russian women have a mystery all their own, which to me, both confounds and intrigues.
But more importantly, while I appreciate the “visual extravaganza” that is a Russian woman, I more drawn to your loving hearts. Like it is straight out of some novel, I hear tales about honest, faithful, loving, and feminine women who are tired of the lack of respect they get from local men. These women search for a worthy man from a distant land to come and fulfill her dreams, so that they may become the wonderful wives and mothers of legend! OK, so I might have played up the cheese factor a bit, but I don’t think I am too far from the truth. Some fiction is mixed in with the facts. Russian women are by no means desperate in their lives, and have too much class to even play that role. But they do consider a good marriage and motherhood as their top priorities. And this is what makes them so desired by traditional men like me.
I hope that my statements are pretty accurate (and I am sure I will hear about it if they are not!). It is my dream as well to meet a wonderful woman from the FSU, date, court, and marry her, and have a happy family that is so needed in today’s world. This site is a testament to the belief that true love still exists in our world, and I am happy to be a part of it. We are all here for a reason, and while it may differ for each one of us, we can all grow from this experience. I look forward to hearing, seeing, and maybe even meeting all of you at some point along this journey. Best wishes.
November 27, 2008 at 2:12 am
Thanks for your comments and your welcome.
Dawn I think it would have been more straightforward for him to base this article on his own personal feelings towards Russian Women as opposed to doing the narrative that he did about what other people think.
Not being able to express your true feelings publicly is the core definition of Political Correctness.
I understand the limitations of what he can or can’t write in a magazine like Forbes but I wish he was less protected and more bold about his opinion like Lennon and McCartney were so many years ago in 1968 when they wrote “Back in the USSR”.
“Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out and leave the West behind.. And Moscow girls make me sing and shout and G-G-G-G-G-G-G-Georgia is always on my mind..”
“I’m back in the USSR.. You don’t know how lucky you are boys.. Back in the USSR..”
Open Arms..
Welcome aboard and thanks for making the heroic effort to read everything on this site.. I think I’ve lost count myself.
In anycase please tell your buddies and even any lady friends you know about our little neck of the woods.
I’m always happy to see a growing number of traditionally minded ladies joining us..
GL
November 27, 2008 at 2:17 am
BTW here’s an interesting Beatles tidbit..
Last Saturday on November 22 was the 40th anniversary of the release of the White Album.
“Back in the USSR” was the opening track..
November 27, 2008 at 2:27 am
Hello rw_man,
Thanks for another great picture. Is this an old shot or do you still have some contact with Masha despite your new address?
I hope you have a happy Thanksgiving, and are able to get out in the brisk air and take some more shots.:)
November 27, 2008 at 2:43 am
You’ve got that right Open Arms when it comes to your description of the so-called “dating culture” here. Frustrating and futile are the words that come to mind for me, which are why a growing number of men here are opting out. The silver lining of course is that men are free to court ladies who want families and children, not party girls who’ll wake up one day and find out the party’s over.
Taras
November 27, 2008 at 3:53 am
Thanks for the warm welcome GL.
Taras -
I agree, frustrating and futile are good descriptions as well. I much prefer traditional courtship to this new kind of dating phenomena. I have read a couple books by Joshua Harris called “I Kissed Dating Goodbye” and “boy meets girl.” While they may be intended for a mostly American Christian audience, there is still some good information in them. In fact, I have read a good number of books by Christian authors that speak to getting back to traditional values.
I recommend two John Eldredge books: “Wild at Heart” for the guys and “Captivating” for the girls, but feel free to read both. Or if you are brave (or religious) enough, try “Theology of the Body” by the late Pope John Paul II. I don’t want to push my beliefs on anyone, but just want to offer up some things I found helpful for myself. I may be preaching to the choir on this, but at least it is good to know the choir exists and is listening.
As for the party girls, they can continue to drown in their own false reality. In the meantime, I will be making some amazing girl the happiest young lady in the world, and she will be returning the favor. I will lead by example, and anyone who wants to follow, then I welcome them along. Perhaps one day all these party people will start to realize that someone has spiked their drinks. But by then, it might be too late to reverse the effects.
November 27, 2008 at 4:12 am
Thanks Sam,
We are actually going to be seeing more of Masha in the future so don’t worry..
We certainly didn’t lose her
November 27, 2008 at 5:12 am
I think Forbes should do an article on Masha…and her ever growing fan club around the world! “Russian Beauty, Inside and Out” It would give Russia some good press, which it could use these days. And it highlights its most valuable resource in the process…!
Thanks for bringing us all these wonderful girls GL. It gives those of us who plan to travel to FSU countries hope for the future. They may not feel like it is a big deal, but I can personally say that it means a lot.
November 29, 2008 at 12:56 am
GL,
Where do you find these LOVELY ladies?! If the above pictured lovelies are average for Russia, then I HAVE to get over there! All I can say is wow…
MarkyMark
November 29, 2008 at 2:57 am
Masha Darling,
I was afraid that we may have lost you forever. Thanks for sticking in there with ole GL/Rw_Man. I am looking forward to more commentary and pictures. Please tell us more about your life over there.
December 3, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Hey great job.
You are killing me with this pic brother.
God have mercy!
Thank god there are still women out in the world that are worth a dam to pursue other than the train wreck women here in the USA.
Your blog inspires a mid-thiries divorced man like myself to look abroad.Have a great holiday season.god bless thank s again ,keep them coming..
December 4, 2008 at 6:18 am
I’m not ure if I’m going to be the only one who watches this but anyone else who watches TLC’s “What not to Wear” sees this week after week.
They basically take an American woman wearing her typical man wear, i.e. sweats, frumpy pants and oversized clothes and transforms them into, get ready for this, an age appropriate WOMAN who dresses amazingly and is ready to be HER AGE.
So many of the woman on this show start out soooo stuck in dressing and for the most part acting as a 14 year old BOY. With some simple fashion advice and coaxing many of these women just start to realize that they are women. Show after show I feel that these women actually get “being a woman.” Unfortunately this is only a few dozen woman a year and I don’t see any kind of effect on women at large here in the USA. I only wish it would be a requirement for women to go through this course in life.
I simply love hearing these women week after week say, “Wow I am a women and love wearing these feminine clothes.” It’s just the smallest of stones that needs tipping for these women to realize all the wonders their femininity brings to their lives.
In my travels to Russia this last summer had made me so much more sensitive to seeing this transformation. As they progress and see thier sexuality and femininity I feel a sense of satisfaction. These few american women are getting just a touch of realizing who they really are. To bad this isn’t taught on a massive scale here, what an incredible difference it would make.
Traveling to Russia is the only way to truly see this though, seeing women truly act FEMININE and loving being this way. I have so many memories of meeting these girls and just loving evey second of thier attention. Imagine a dream of the perfect girls acting just how you could onlty imagine and filling a city with them. That is what I experienced while I was in Russia.
I went to Russia, and I absolutely can’t wait for the day until I can head back.
SiSD
December 4, 2008 at 7:56 pm
#19
Nicely put.I totally agree with your comment on women still”being”women in russia.
Ive worked with some here in the US and what a contrast it was when you would see them in the break room with other american women giving them dirty looks of pure jealousy.
Its like they are saying mentally “how do they stay so beautiful and thin,I hate them”
I know, its simple isnt it?
its like hey”american ladies”its “OK” to be and dress feminine.
But we have Feminism to blame for this american brainwashing that is being done to the american women everyday.”be a man! the media puts out there as a goal for women,(subliminaly its seems)
thx for the pics.these girls are so beautiful.
#4
Yes there are some girls who “look” like this in the states but are far and few between.
In russia they are more present as far as numbers of beautiful women and have an inner glow that american girls dont emanate.
Nice job!keep up the good work.
December 6, 2008 at 1:05 am
This article hits the nail on the head when it comes to what our society is seeing as a result of our feminist movement. It relates the percentage of women who are clinically depressed to the modern feminist movement. http://www.mensaction.net/blog/2008/12/depression-of-western-women.html
December 6, 2008 at 10:35 pm
I don’t know how to put this into good words so I’m just going to vomit it out… but I feel so sorry for those women who neglect their femininity. When I do things to nourish it I feel so happy, the world becomes a more beautiful and colourful place, spiritual… I can’t imagine how it must feel to reject your femininity like that.
There’s a girl in my class with a beautiful face but she is overweight, talks and walks like a man, swears like a sailor, looks so miserable, etc. You must feel like your whole soul has shrivelled up.
It’s like hankering after money constantly (sorry, interested in topic of consumerism at the moment!) it makes you into a shell of a person. All I did today is walk (10 miles!) and look at the blue sky with my boyfriend, the river, then the stars on the way home, if money is there to make you happy I think I will cut out the middleman and just be happy.
Back on the topic… I feel so sorry for the women who have been caught up in ‘feminism’ (I think it should be called ‘masculinisation’). They can’t feel ‘whole’. i wonder if this will change in society – I like to be optimistic.
December 6, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I pretty much agree, Bella. Except I don’t reject feminism. For me feminism means valuing traditional, female virtues as highly as male virtues. It means not accepting an attitude towards women like the one Schopenhauer had. And it means not basing the practice of medicine on women on the reactions of a male body when it is. so obviously different.
December 15, 2008 at 12:59 pm
There’s another extreem when a girl practises her “femininity” in all possible ways like doesn’t leave home without make-up. Does skirts and hills, makes sure she always looks nice, keeps her body fit and at the same time swears like a sailor, doesn’t take interest in anything apart her looks, doesn’t want children because it means she will lose her fit body, incapable of doing any work about the house and ect.
And it all goes with being feminine, so I guess this girl in your class, Bella, is at least honest about herself.
December 15, 2008 at 6:18 pm
This site has sure opened up some interesting conversations and my following comments in this thread are a culmination of thoughts from several other ongoing discussions here. Mostly it has to do with the femininity verses feminism concept.
Femininity is a virtue of civilized women, a gift from God or a pattern of nature maybe, but it is not a “movement” an “ideology” or some sort of subversive “agenda” forced on anyone. It is a blessing to everyone touched by it. It shows self respect, fortitude and value not only for the woman displaying it but also for the women around her, her children, and everyone else she associates with on a regular basis.
Feminism, on the other hand, by its very design, was meant to tear down men much more than build up women and that is why it has hurt both genders so badly and society as a whole. It never intended to produce equality and only asked that any image of such equality was biased against its predecessors.
I wonder how many people who are regular participants on this site view femininity as something negative. It seems that a good percentage of respondents are trying to play down a woman’s feminine aspects as unnecessary, undesirable or completely unacceptable in modern society.
Is it possible that the detractors are all women? Are they all North American women? Are they just jealous that some women still respect the values and gifts that nature or God has given them?
So a young Russian woman is very concerned about her appearance and she chooses to work out at a gym a few days a week in the hope that it makes her more appealing to a potential mate; what is wrong with that? She chooses not to leave the house without nice clothes, make up and her hair brushed; is that bad?
Just because most NA women are either too lazy or totally lack self respect and consequently leave the house looking like a walking clothes basket; is that possibly their own problem?
I don’t care what NA women look like anymore because I know full well that any time they are looking their best it is probably to deceive someone (usually a man) into thinking they actually care about their appearance or themselves. An average NA woman only works out regularly to “prove” her independence to the world, as if the world might give a crap.
You can put old gym socks and jock straps in a beautifully wrapped gift box but when you find what’s inside, those pretty wrappings don’t mean much, do they.
If the young Russian woman has values, personality and a sense of humor, and is also pretty and takes care of herself, then the good looks become a bonus.
If there are any women who truly want the world to appreciate and respect them for what they are really worth in the grander scheme of things, then I think they should be admiring and emulating these FSU ladies.
Unfortunately, however, the modern “norm” is to complain, criticize and condemn. Since entitlement thinking is the main focus of most NA women (along with many other women around the world now days) and that leaves them unable to “earn” any respect, it is simply easier for them to rag on the little details of the girls we see here, than it is to focus on self improvement.
As far as the women in beauty contests being malnourished or all suffering from eating disorders, I would beg to disagree. After a few decades of professional photography I find the percentage of anorexic behavior in American high schools much more alarming than anything I have witnessed in the modeling world. I do know that there are many problems in that particular profession and it usually shows up after some of these girls have already made their name as models and then get caught up in the trappings of success.
Realistically, it would seem that people watching this site should either be supportive of the intended purpose or else be more concerned with their own “issues” rather than running down the ladies shown here.
In a nutshell, if you want to be respected, show some respect for others.
December 17, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Can’t say that I view femininity as something negative, quite the contrary, but it applies only to real femininity though. When a woman is happy with her being a woman, a wife, a daughter and a mother, understands she’s in a way different to men both physically and mentally (that doesn’t make her inferior to men though, quite the opposite.) This womanhood doesn’t need to be proved with garish outfits and make up. So if you’re feminine you have to be feminine in your speech, thoughts, manners and deeds, it should be a part of your upbringing and family tradition. That’s exactly what I meant by saying that there’re women who often look feminine, but it comes to an end when they open their mouth or when you get to know them better. Take a look at traditional Ortodox Christian women, they’re the essence of femininity: family orientated, they play most traditional role of mothers and wives, but they don’t look like anything you described.
So does femininity have anything to do with well known marketing tools as beauty and sexiness?
I was certainly not trying to put down the lovely ladies you worship here, but rather bring an element of constructive criticism to your discussions. (that’s how I like to flatter myself)…hehe.
And it is certainly not bad at all when a young girl takes care of her appearance and goes to a gym a few times a week.(Most women don’t go there to make themselves look more appealing for potential mate, but to be able to compete with other women in this race to non existent ideal promoted by media) It’s a question of time all in all. The time you’d rather spend doing something else. Like spending it with your family, friends, studying, working, reading etc. So if a girl goes to a gym more than 3 times a week, she’s not doing much apart from that. Same applies to all the other ladies routines : make-up, waxing, pampering, mani-pedi and so forth. What would you prefer your teenage daughter to do? Read a good book or get a fake tan and nails?
As for not leaving the house without make up on any occasion… girls who do this have somewhat a chip on their shoulder. They for some reason think they’re not pretty enough without the make up, or there’s a fat chance that they are really NOT pretty. A self confident woman will not put layers on make up and dress up like a sexy kitten to pop into a grocery next door.
January 2, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Hi,
I need some help and dont know where to turn. Recently married to a Russian woman ( we dated 2 years before marriage, I work in the oil fields in Russia, she has done a 180 on me, she is now not interested in being close or communicative, now she has 2 phones, the second is locked and when a mail comes in it doesnt sound, the sound is off, i see her use the other phone all the time, her friends call and send messages on her main phone, the other phone I have no idea who is on the other end, could she be doing this to make me jealous?, I talked to her about this an how she has changed and that having a second phone bothers me, she says she hasnt changed and doesnt want to talk anymore, I honestly feel she doesnt want us to divorce but I also feel she doesnt want us to be together, I have tried and tried to talk to her, told her I am unhappy, she isnt interested in talking and doesnt try to understand or work with me on this, she keeps a clean house and providing meals on time, before I met her I cleaned my own house and made my own meals, she wanted to go to university, I thought it was a good idea so she went, her going to university happened after the problems occured, I have no idea what has happened, now I honestly feel that she only is staying with me as not to cause embarressment for herself in front of her mum and relatives, her mum loves me and we talk and she is so sweet to me……………..any ideas?? I know it sounds crazy but I think she is seeing someone but then 2 seconds later I think it isnt possible, I have talked to her and told her that I want her happy, if she isnt happy, i understand, she was in a rough position before we met, and I do understand, I just want her happy, if she isnt happy, why stay with me, she has always been so truthful to me before………….I really need some help here, I love her and dont know what do to…………
January 2, 2009 at 9:39 pm
William,
I don’t know enough about everything to call myself an expert on much, however, life experience tells me this; be it a Russian woman or any other the simple reality of what you are describing here is a woman who has given her attention and affection, if not her whole life, over to another.
No honest person keeps a second (locked and silent) cellular phone for any legitimate reason.
Sending your wife to university after these situations started to show up has probably only served to assist her in her agenda.
Lack or absence of physical contact and emotional closeness is a near absolute indicator, especially if that change occurred in a matter of several weeks to a few months.
Regarding the possibility of her using the second phone as a tool to make you jealous is concerned, ask yourself; a) if you have given her reason to do something like this, b) if you will stand for such Western style manipulation in your marriage, and c) what her possible motivation could be for doing this to you?
Only jealous people try to use their partner’s jealousy against them. If that is not among your personal traits, then she is picking it up from her own sense of low self worth. (red flag) Was there ever a time in the dating period when you openly discussed each other’s social tendencies or habits, and was jealousy ever an issue? If it came up before and was not a concern then why is it appearing now? (another red flag) Generally speaking, people who have jealousy issues will try to play that card off on their partner from a sense of guilt when they, themselves have strayed or have completely lost interest in the relationship. (serious red flag)
Real marriages of value and integrity do not make room for secrecy, deception or manipulation. When open communication and affection stop, little is left to rebuild on.
Also, be cautious of your relationship with your wife’s mother. It could intensify the problem as your wife can (and might) say that you are trying to “use” mom against her. Make certain that her mom knows how you feel and that the marriage is of utmost importance to you but keep a fair distance beyond that so as not to create this potential weapon to be set against you.
A couple of years of dating before marriage seems almost like an eternity by today’s standards and one would think that all would be learned in so much time. Sadly though, for anyone hoping to use marriage as a means to some other end, it is little more than an education period to learn about weaknesses and to lay in plans for later.
I’m very sorry if all of this sounds like a doomsday forecast and I seriously pray that this is not what’s happening in your case, but the world is a much smaller place than we care to admit and NO country on Earth is exempt from the type of games I have described.
I think that all of us who follow this site enjoy the best of possibilities and hope for insight and advice that will guide us away from Western thinking and all of the trappings of “home”. Unfortunately though, there are some FSU women who will see the advantage in taking advantage.
Good luck, you have my hopes and prayers.
May 22, 2009 at 4:49 pm
i wonder what does the phrase – ‘Russian Olga mean?
cheers
olga shulman lednichenko