Many of you guys probably already know this but if you are looking for a “good girl” to be your wife… Generally the farther away you are from Moscow the better off you’ll be.
I have quite a few Russian buddies who work on a regular basis in Moscow but always come “home” when they can back to Siberia because the odds of them finding a decent girl there are pretty slim… and these guys are very good men with high education, good character, and solid professions too.
Moscow has recently surpassed Tokyo as being the most expensive city in the world so that should tell you something.
Moscow is great for doing business but can be difficult for finding decent ladies. Now saying that keep in mind that Moscow is like a huge magnet for many Russian girls looking for a better job or education. So there are significant number of good girls there from many different regions in Russia. HOWEVER.. Good luck finding them and sorting them out from the large numbers of materialistic and jaded ones that have been brought up in that environment.
As far as foreigners are concerned Moscow can have a dark side that you need to be aware of. A number of professional gangs that specifically target foreigners make the rounds in Moscow and unfortunately in some neighboring cities as well. Some of these outfits are very slick and dangerous so if you do end up there for business or pleasure be very careful and heed some of the following advice.
- Try to blend in with the locals fashion wise.
- Be low key in public and don’t shoot off your mouth.
- Don’t let your drink out of your site in a popular bar or nightclub.
- Do not take any Russian girl you just met in a bar or club back to your room. Especially If she seems professional, nice, speaks perfect English and was the one who first approached you.
- If you see money on the street. Do not pick it up. Keep walking.
- Buddy up with another friend you can trust when you go out.
- Don’t hang near the subways at night-time.
- Find a reputable taxi service and stick with them.
I’m not going to get into the details on why you should adhere to the above but just trust me on this… You should be able to figure most of it out for yourself.
Now I need to balance all of this by saying that Moscow is huge with over 10 million residents. If your adventurous and have the right social network to watch your back you should do just fine if you are able to go off the beaten path within the city to socialize.
Moscow is a grand city and it’s growing rapidly so that has it’s own appeal to many. However.. Russian people who live outside of Moscow have a common saying.
Moscow is not Russia.
And there are many good reasons why they believe this. The rest of Russia is much more laid back in comparison and obviously not as materialistic or glamorous.
The final bit of inside info I’ll give you is this. A number of wealthier Moscow guys go far out to other parts of the country to look for girlfriends and wives and don’t attempt this search on their own home turf.
It’s certainly worth visiting from a tourist, historical and business background.. but if your focus is on finding something else..
You might want to look someplace else..
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February 21, 2007 at 3:39 am
“Moscow is not Russia.” RW_Man, is this true for most big cities in Russia and the FSU? If a girl is from say, Kiev, St. Petersburg, or like Minsk, do they tend to be different than girls of smaller cities or towns? Thank you.
February 21, 2007 at 6:09 am
Hi Gurdow,
In general yes..
There are always exceptions especially with women from smaller towns who come to the bigger cities for work or education. But as you can imagine it’s harder to find them. This is generally true regardless of where you are in the world.
Provincial areas is what I would focus on because the girls there tend to have a completely different focus and are just that much more grounded.
Good Luck and let us know what you have in mind.
GL
March 3, 2007 at 8:30 am
Is St.Petersburg beter than Moscow ? Perhaps
I also should say a Russian woman who was raised in the province of eastern Russia will be less corrupted by the big city of
St.Petersburg ?
Thanks
May 1, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Sounds nastier than Toronto, which has enough different kinds of [lowkey] gangs, out of country visiting [tourist] prostitutes, and street scams of its own.
But our subways are extremely safe.
Thanks for the tips.
I found a backdoor into Russia. Wow. Can you say “plane hopping” four times fast? So, I won’t see Moscow until about a year “for business”.
I understand the post made by the guy who recounted the ‘no thanks to the foreigner offers” by the Moscovites. Last time I checked the same response could be found in TO regarding anyone offering to relocate the local Feminazi’s.
Hell, a single mother in TO [my experimental stage] stopped seeing me when she learned I was on my way to the rurals. And we had the same citizenship.
There is a somewhat odd part of some city girls. They can be more in love with their town than a truckload of standard stormtrooping single guys–local or foreign who can most often not manage to budge her from her bigger allegiance.
Generally my take on all the questioning and doubt is “perspective”. Russia is not Mars. Even if Moscow is not Russia.
How’s that for a sweet segue GL?
March 13, 2008 at 3:20 pm
“Good luck finding them and sorting them out from the large numbers of materialistic and jaded ones that have been brought up in that environment”
You’re totaly missing the point here. Majority of those gold diggeres you see in clubs, parties, anywhere else ARE NOT local. How do I know? I happen to live with some lovely provincial girls, and they’re nothing like my friends who were born and bred in Moscow. None/a few of my Moscow friends were after money in their relationship ever. But most of provincials are. Fact.
Shallow, focused on their golden locks and toned abs they spent days doing nothing at work and nights pretending to be party divas. Their cheap dwellings is a mess, but they rather pluck their eyebrowns than tide the place up.
Your vain attempt to portray the city, which gives shelter to so many wonderful people, as a rathole is quite an old move. Ideas like this circulate all over the country but they are mainly popular with certain type of people.
Though you’ve got one thing right. Moscow aint the place for finding your-submissive-russian-mail-bride, who will swoon from the sight of your blue passport.
March 13, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Kisha, maybe you just need a better class of friends.
March 14, 2008 at 3:53 am
Kisha I’m sure there are grains of truth to both of our positions because obviously our experiences are different.
I’m sure there are many wonderful people in Moscow no doubt. But overall any big city environment can have it’s temptations for young pretty girls who are looking for their meal ticket as you’ve pointed out.
And my point here is to illustrate the challenges in sorting out the “good” from the “bad”. That’s not a fun process to go through I assure you and that is one of the main points of this post.
The information from this post was based on many people I am close to who have either lived, worked or spent considerable time in Moscow just like you..
So if you take issue with this article then you’d be taking issue with your fellow Moscovites..
March 14, 2008 at 10:55 am
The only problem I have with this post is your quote, in which you describe country girls as diamonds that you have to find in the litter of locals. I’m totaly aware that there’re good and bad people everywhere. But making every single moscow girl look as “materealistic and jaded” is wrong. And you know it. Moreover you have no right to make asumptions like this because firstly) you don’t live there; secondly) your souses are biased.
Hope I made myself clear here.
Regards
March 14, 2008 at 10:59 am
Craig, I’m totaly satiesfied with my circle of friends, the girls I was talkin about don’t belong to it. It’s just rubbish circumstances I have to pull through at the moment. I, Moscow girl, never thought people like them do exsist.
April 26, 2008 at 8:14 am
I totally agree with Kisha to what she said about girls in Moscow . It’s exactly provincial girls who used to come to Moscow looking for better (FIRST of all in materialistic meaning)life.
It’s them who used to flood Moscow clubs and other places for parties in order to catch somebody there. Because majority of those province girls possesses no other qualities and skill except hot looks and youth . And therefore they have to use particular methods to archive something in this life.( especially in such expensive city like Moscow) Moscow local girls who had more opportunities to developed other skills due to better education and who have parents for support next to them just have more “decent” ways to archive their goals :p ( and have less need to bow some old-fat-bald young in heart boy just because he possesses western passport)
So that if you have a wish to judge Moscow girls let check “propiska” first of all to be sure WHO exactly you are dealing with.
PS Of course do not take make point like all Moscow girls are not materialistic It;s not so..But those province girls who come to Moscow ARE materialistic ( otherwise they would stay at home being satisfied with what province could offer them)and they are objectevely less protected from temptations which each big city offers ( and which local Moscow girls were been teaching to avoid fron their very childhood)
PSs Hope you understood what I’s trying to say 🙂
April 26, 2008 at 2:21 pm
All Hails (and coming Easter greetings!)
Great safety guide, Comrade GL! I certainly must link to it from my own thread on “How to Select Regions, Cities & Towns“.
Regarding matches, – as a Kievite, I’ve had enough evidence to agree with the points made by the ladies and gentlemen of this blog. Ventured to summarize all trends here…
“Virgin Village & Smalltown vs. Babylon City? Russian Brides Background Effect”
With best regards,
Comrade Natalia
April 29, 2008 at 7:53 am
To Kisha and Elen especially.
I lived in Manhattan when it was the Sodom and Gomorrah of the western world. That’s LIVED in, not visited or toured. Any huge metropolis will give you opportunities to be robbed, to be the robber, or to have a pleasant existence. Sadly, it is not always your choice. Lighten up girls, GL was not assaulting your personal honor!
Poverty is both endemic and hateful. Wanting to escape poverty can be either noble or base, depending upon the cosmic joker, fate. Be happy fate has not degraded your humanity, and pray it never does,
‘Bye
April 30, 2008 at 4:46 am
YOu missed my point Fritz There was an idea that province girls in some sort better than those you could find in big cities While a truth is simple like that – majority of those bad “city’s” girl ARE from that very province. So in province you could find them as well ( a fact that they have not moved (yet) to big city does not itself turn at once proince girls in angels It’s stll the same province morality – to escape “poverty” by any means )
And yes I am thankful to fate for beeing born in big metropolitan where I have more chances to gain for decent life using more decent ways than province girls have to do. But THAT does not make what province girls used to do in their desperate attempts to escape poverty more decent . ( PS marring for first foreigner who offer to bring them to western paradise is one of those ways which I do not see decent)
So my point is desperation does no good to morality. So if you wish to deal with girls who act because of their character ( whatever that character and personality would be) but not because of desperation it’s better to search among naive born girls in big cities. That lows your chances to run into a girl who would do anything for you just beuse she is despearated. ( though may be males are looking for exatly that type of women In that case good luck for them … just let they keep in mind after moving into western paadise depseration would be ended And then you would have to deal with “real” girl…. a result is not predictable in that case….)
May 1, 2008 at 5:29 am
Dear Elen,
First, thank you for a thoughtful reply! I mean that.
However, I think we are talking past each other to a degree. Fate or chance or destiny, affects individuals no matter where they are born, or where they end up residing. It also affects households, tiny villages, small cities and on and on. The girls you are writing of seem to have made a clear and conscious choice to be visa whores. I was pointing to the significant number of passport harlots that fate has dealt a hand they cannot possibly win ANYTHING with. If you claim those girls do not exist, or are all practiced in fairy tale telling, you lack life experience. I am a creaky 66 years old. I have seen four wars worth of war brides, a variation on this theme. I personally watched (from a distance) a Japanese woman die of a broken heart. I am certain there will be similar casualties in the passport wars, probably an overabundance of them. My points are these:
A visa whore is not guaranteed a free ride once she enters the wicked West.
The type of man looking for a visa whore is almost always more despicable than the conniving slut herself.
The truly desperate slut I described might get what she needs a bit faster, and more safely, if, when an obvious westerner sits next to her in the pick-up bar she whispers “I admit I want a visa.”
I am leaving far too much unsaid, but I will close with a familiar western story.
After a violent coastal storm, thousands of harmless jellyfish have been washed on shore. A man is walking north on the beach, stepping carefully. He notices another man coming from the opposite direction. This southbound man is picking up a jellyfish with every step he takes, and tossing it back into the sea. The first man reaches the second and says “What are you doing!! These things are going to die! You’re not making a bit of difference!”
The other man looks at the thing in his hand, looks up, and tosses it as far out as he can. “I made a difference to that one.”
‘Bye
May 9, 2008 at 9:24 am
Truth tell I again didn;t get complitely what you were trying to proove me, Fritz and what life experience I in your viewpoint lack..
I am not so skilled in English to get allegories and stories with too much left unsaid
But ayway if you foreigner knights in shining armours wish to pick up “jeellyfishes” in depressive provinces of FSU thinking you have better chances to find there something naive and altruistic then good luck for you
And as it’s MAy 9 today then here is my Rusians greetings with Vitory Day to all fritzes
October 20, 2009 at 6:49 pm
I’ve recently found out that those wonderful ladies I was talking about in my previous posts here are now in the US.
That in my opinion trully shows what kind of people women are comming to America.
October 21, 2009 at 6:44 pm
ooops, typo. *Women* must be put into brackets. I’m not trying to contradict the fact that women are people.
October 21, 2009 at 8:46 am
Kisha,
WHY do you not have a blog? I would have loved to read one written by you 🙂
October 21, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Hi Hazel, thanks, I’m quite taken aback, by this comment, but in a plesant way of course.
To unswer you question …erm, I don’t know, probably because blogging means writing regulary, and I haven’t got time and more importantly inspiration and ideas often enough =)
If I had a blog though, it would be predominantly in Russian.
October 25, 2009 at 9:45 am
I wouldn’t mind having a blog to read in Russian at all! But of course, without time and/or inspiration that doesn’t help much… Oh, well 😦
October 26, 2009 at 7:38 pm
well maybe some day =))
October 21, 2009 at 7:06 pm
thank you, Hazel, if I had a blog it would be predominantly in Russian, but I can’t write regularily enough to keep one, cos I often lack time, inspiration and ideas. So I’m affraid there’s no point to start.
December 23, 2009 at 4:12 am
“Don’t hang near the subways at night time” as in “don’t loiter” or “don’t use them”?
I lived in Rome, Italy for a while and it was surprisingly safe, so I am interested in the difference for practicality reasons.
Thanks.
~ Ivanka
December 31, 2009 at 10:38 am
Metro closes at 1am. The only people who can be seen near metro at night are bums.
And I strongly recommend using metro, as it highly practical compared to driving in the city.
January 3, 2010 at 8:11 am
Thank you 🙂
~ Ivanka
January 3, 2010 at 9:44 am
Hey everyone,
Since it has been pretty quiet around here for a while, I would like to say that I hope your Christmas was wonderful and best wishes for the coming year. Blessings to you all,
Richard