Those of you who have read my previous articles know just how disgusted I feel when anyone refers to any Russian Woman as a “Mail Order Bride”.
This was certainly the case yesterday when I found a Wikipedia article entitled “Mail Order Bride” that probably was written by a group of Feminists.
The main implication of the article was that ANY Woman who is from a non-western country who joins an introduction agency is a M.O.B.
So if this is the case.. then what does that make any American or Western Women who joins service like Yahoo Personals, Match.com, or eHarmony?
Is it possible to get married to any of “these women” solely through seeing their profile on a web catalog and sending some money?
Now for OBVIOUS REASONS..
Besides the fact that there is NO SUCH THING as a Mail Order Bride to begin with…
It is clear that this is one of the most derogatory and degrading terms possible for Women anywhere.
And unfortunately it’s probably going to stick around for a while as long as certain nefarious groups continue to promote it for their own agenda.
Unfortunately I’ve know that the M.O.B. label is often used by unscrupulous agencies and front companies who are trying to pass off Russian Women as cheap commodities that are easily attainable.
The motive behind these groups are obvious.
They simply wish to hook as many bottom of the barrel or “Lowest Common Denominator” Guys as possible and make a few quick bucks in the process.
And unfortunately there will always be a percentage of Guys who are dumb enough to actually believe this crap..
This is disheartening enough..
But the really bad part is this..
As long as Mail Order Brides can be used as a wide spread label against Russian and FSU Women..
It serves as a Very Effective and Classic SMEAR Tool for the Feminist to SCARE OFF any Quality Western Men and Russian Women from attempting a relationship with each other.
This is why M.O.B. is often the first tag that any Feminist would try to pin on anyone who see’s the value in looking beyond their own country for a lasting relationship.
Clearly the underlying motive in slandering people with the M.O.B. tag is to prevent and discourage additional competition.
And the BEST way to do this would be to encourage the “Lowest Common Denominators” to establish relationships with each other under the “shadiest” of motives.
It should go without saying that the probably of achieving lasting success or happiness with this type of pretense is quite low..
That’s why highlighting any failures of M.O.B.’s works so well against our cause in the general court of public (but un-enlightened) opinion.
Here’s another way to look at this.
A company like Sony can put out thousands of excellent products that are of the highest quality.
But all it takes for their company’s reputation and their market share to slide dramatically are a few bad products.
If I were Sony’s competitor.. the smartest thing I could do would be to quietly promote the bad products and to make sure their problems are spotlighted in the general media.
In the case of M.O.B.’s it actually get’s worse because this “branding” turns into a vicious cycle..
The M.O.B. tag is widespread enough that even various agencies and websites have used it to market themselves to naive and lonely Men who may only be aware of this label as they try to search the Internet for true love.
And as many of these Men get burned in the process.. the Feminists are laughing their asses off every time and saying..
“I TOLD YOU SO..”
And a disgusting and soiled fan continues to spin and splatter everything in the room with it’s muck..
So if any of you people are planning on going through a Marriage Agency..
At the very least AVOID any of them that use the M.O.B. tag..
Better yet..
Forward them a copy of this post..
In the meantime..
Can someone please go onto Wikipedia and straighten that entry out?
January 17, 2007 at 9:14 am
I think that the best person to straighten that entry out would be Hero, because Hero is very wise, and seems more than anyone else (besides GL) to always “swoop in and save the day”. I couldn’t do nearly as good a job as Hero could.
–Luke Skywalker
January 17, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Thanks Luke! I’ll try to get that straightened out.
January 17, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Every time someone (especially an AW skank) refers to my wife as an MOB, I say “You’re right. I have to go look for a wife in another country because American women are useless feminists that only think of themselves.” When they say that I only want a submissive wife, I say, “There she is over there talking to a group. Why don’t you go over there and ask if she is submissive?” 100% of the time, they (AW) just slink away and mutter some idiotic phrase. What a bunch of cowards. Most of the men actually talk to her and come away enlightened, to say the least.
January 17, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Absolutely kzarz!
I love to see the look on AW’s faces when they are outsmarted, outwitted, and humiliated by my “MOB” …
I recently saw a Russian film “The Irony of Fate or Enjoy Your Bath”
Has anyone seen that film? I love Russian humor…
January 17, 2007 at 7:21 pm
Brilliant. It’s an offensive and small-minded term.
There’s no “cart” on any introduction sites to place your selected RW into.
The reason for that?
Same as why she can’t be delivered as a pdf.
Not possible!
January 17, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Interestingly, the M.O.B. term was once almost a legitimate concept.
Problem is, that was 200 YEARS AGO.
When men in the “New World” greatly out-numbered women, they often wrote back to Europe seeking a bride to join them in their new country. Often a woman would take-up a convincing offer on the strength of just one such letter! So you can see how the expression was born.
Now, it’s so far from present-day reality that it should be confined to the history books.
January 17, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Wait a minute here kzarz…
These American Women actually have the NERVE to go up and say something insulting about a man’s wife to his very FACE?!? How despicable?! Who would do that!?!
–Luke Skywalker
January 17, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Good day every one
Well written GL
MOB, GEISHA, MAMA SAN, HONEY KO, are but derivatives of I think a CLICHE’. It was so over used and blown out of proportions by the same DETRACTORS of a FEW GOOD MEN….
I am sure the Low Lifers, Bottom of the Food Chain Feeders, and Femme…Fatales are contributors to this sterotype. Even Wikepedia disregarded and abandoned the colonists in the New World.
Here is my take: Behind our future and present success… lies a Russian woman.
My best to all.
Amorcito
January 17, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Why we don’t hear about the success stories?? It’s crazy how feminism highlights the concept of failure in this quest in order to frighten us.
It’s sad and frustrating that feminism have labeled Russian Women as poor desperate woman waiting for someone to “save” them.
But this statement sounds to me as the most normal bitchy attitude coming from a jealous woman.
So…decide to go ahead with the plans despite widespread objections.
Don’t give importance to that BS because they are throwing a solid proof they can’t control any decent men looking for love and happiness.
Au plaisir
Ignacio
January 17, 2007 at 11:08 pm
…any decent man…
January 17, 2007 at 11:43 pm
Not to frighten us, but to frighten others about us. Like, say, Congress.
January 18, 2007 at 1:02 am
Yeah I got your point…
January 18, 2007 at 3:18 am
Remember that traditional news media thrive on negative so-called news, not positive stories.
People with an agenda also thrive on giving out negative impressions of others, rather than talking up the positives of what they believe.
Of course, we give negative views on many of the feminist elements out there, but within reason.
And the main reason for doing so is to highlight that the very things they push for, are most likely stopping them from getting what they really want in life, and finding true happiness.
January 18, 2007 at 5:29 am
Good Day
You can always sell an idea if you wrapped them with SEX, flavor them it with NEGATIVITY, and “kick it up a notch” with horror stories such as an isolated abused MOB.
Someone out there is really adapting well to such chaos and finds displeasure seeing before their very eyes…. across the Atlantic marriage.
My take Ladies and Gentlemen: We have a dream team. Go figure.
My best to all.
Amorcito
January 18, 2007 at 10:57 am
Hello GL;
It does often raise eyebrows when I mention my intent, but in my own little group of close friends, my resolve and experiences in North America are melting the bias contrived by the Feminist/ bias media that phrase has become.
The truth shall overcome in the end and my life and love will be the proof that it was all smoke and mirrors. Plus, I am getting anxious for my upcoming visit.
😉
Canajun
January 18, 2007 at 4:01 pm
This label is a pathetic attempt that does not stand up to real scrutiny. There are now five men married to Russian women where I work. The organization is about 300 people. We’ve reached a tipping point. Women can paint it anyway they like.
But when other men ask me about my marriage and my wife, that is all they need to see.
I wouldn’t worry about this, there are to many men married to Russian women now. Sorry american hags, the results are in and you lost. They know it. If they weren’t running scared we would never have seen IMBRA.
January 18, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Hi Kzarz and Will..
I love the balls you guys have for shoving these women’s BS back where it belongs.
Keep up the great work and hand them my URL too! 🙂
GL
January 18, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Hi Shaun,
Thanks for the interesting history lesson.. Amazing story..
GL
January 18, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Hi Amorcito,
Are you a marketing or advertising man?
If you have a background in this do me a favor and drop me an email please I’d like to talk to you off line.. Thanks..
By the way great insight on the Burning Bra’s protests of the 60’s and 70’s.
GL
January 18, 2007 at 4:40 pm
Akhand,
In the 60’s and 70’s in the US there was a wide spread perception that the Japanese made “cheap products” like transitor radios. Much of this myth was driven I’m sure by various American companies who didn’t like the idea of competition. Today no one laughs at the Japanese in this arena.. I’m sure the same will happen with this cause.
History always repeats itself in one way or the other.
GL
January 18, 2007 at 4:40 pm
Akhand,
In the 60’s and 70’s in the US there was a wide spread perception that the Japanese made “cheap products” like transistor radios. Much of this myth was driven I’m sure by various American companies who didn’t like the idea of competition. Today no one laughs at the Japanese in this arena.. I’m sure the same will happen with this cause.
History always repeats itself in one way or the other.
GL
January 18, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Interesting point Craig,
Congress seems to be run completely by hype and not any common sense. And it’s obviously the media that powers that hype forward.
January 18, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Hi Canajun,
Thanks for the compliment.
If you aren’t doing this already.. do me a favor..
Next time you start raising eyebrows at your next social.. tell them about this site..
And I don’t care if they are a flaming feminist either. Many of the articles I’ve written are directed to them as women and they should read them if they have the chance even if it pisses them off.
When and where are you taking your trip by the way?
GL
January 18, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Hi Rule62..
Good to see you again.. That’s pretty cool that you have that many men in your company married to Russian women.. You are right the tipping point is coming if it’s not already here.
January 18, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Hey Rule62,
Could you tell us how those 5 co-workers of yours met their Russian wives?
January 18, 2007 at 11:13 pm
I used to enjoy drving my hot car at the sea side and getting all those looks.
I admit it – I was very proud and I loved the attention or little kids and men admiring a piece of automotive art.
But let me tell you guys – It was nothing – nothing – compared to walking thru my local shopping mall with my foriegn girlfriend.
The smiles on the faces of other guys being led like train animals thru Ikea realising that there was hope.
The joy of little kids playing peeka-boo with this strange creature wearing an elegant dress, NOT a tracksuit, and who smiling at them (like all women do in Asia) rather than the “PermaFrost” skowl of their own mothers.
I agree with RW man 100% – getting a “MOB” is the best thing you can do for your country, its furture children and yourself.
We should be lobbying our governments.
What better source of immigrants than one an existing citizen has vouched for?
January 18, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Omg GL!
When I am married to a Siberian wife, I want one that will smile at little kids just like that too! That sounds so romantic..
–Luke Skywalker
January 19, 2007 at 12:34 am
Why no comments about IMBRA? It is about to be overturned. You don’t think we can live with this do you? At http://www.online-dating-rights.com we are gearing up to send someone to Iowa to mix it up in the primaries where Brownback is running for president. Brownback was the Republican Senator who changed history by convincing Republicans to finally relent on their former protection of the foreign dating industry. They listened to him and betrayed us…not knowing that a ton of American males will no longer be Republican (or Democrat) because of that betrayal.
January 19, 2007 at 12:53 am
Regarding the Wikipedia article, those who know me realize that I am busy enough with other matters in the fight.
But I did get that article fixed a year ago and it is still mostly fixed except for the feminist who squeezed in the comment at the beginning about the women marrying “socially unsuccessful men from rich countries”.
Someone is going to need to fight and fight well and always be around because the feminists pay people to examine Wikipedia and keep it “in their favor” 24 hoúrs per day.
That means that you will probably need to ask your teenager or someone on welfare to keep track of things.
Or pay a Russian woman $300 per month to keep up.
Having said that, you MUST have perfect English to successfully edit Wikipedia to get rid of feminist bias.
For instance, someone from this blog just tried to add a comment to the article itself condemning the bias.
This was removed as “spam” and for good reason.
You change the article to be what it should say and you make any comments in the Discussion page located via the Discussion tab.
So you can remove the words “socially unsuccessful” or reconstruct the sentence so it does not sound as if it is a fact that men who date women from supposedly poor countries are socially unsuccessful in their own countries.
You may also want to reconstruct the first paragraph to remove the prejudice that Russia is supposedly an impoverished country (this is no longer true).
The problem is that people with perfect English who don’t already have great jobs are almost always left wing jackasses whose attitudes cannot get them employed so they are professional students. The only antidote to these people would be another college student, but even then you will have the problem that the kind of “socially successful” teenager who could beat these feminist Wikipedia editors in a debate…will have girlfriends on campus who will take his time away from hanging around online.
The irony of the “socially unsuccessful” comment is that the kind of person who would hang around Wikipedia to make sure that this feminist slur against American businessmen remains…would necessarily have to be unsuccessful socially on their campus or in their apartment surrounded by cats.
The worst Wikipedia article is the Tahirih Justice Center article because Erald Kolasi, the 20 year old son of a Tahirih volunteer, is the socially unsuccessful college student who is maintaining the feminist position there and making IMBRA out to be a successful and wonderful law.
This guy will allow no changes at all. He stonewalls and he believes that any man who criticizes feminism has lost all credibility.
You cannot appeal to the management. They agree with him. Believe me, I have been there and done that.
January 19, 2007 at 1:51 am
Hey GL;
I’m looking at either the last two weeks of April or first two of May. Any suggestions? Will be staying in St. Petersburg 10 days. Is it normal to get butterflies just THINKING about it?
😉
Canajun
January 19, 2007 at 3:10 am
“Those of you who have read my previous articles know just how disgusted I feel when anyone refers to any Russian Woman as a “Mail Order Bride”. ”
I see your point, but it is _only_ spam mails for Russian women that I get in my inbox, not any other nationalities. And I bet the people who organise these emails are NOT female. So exactly WHO is giving Russian brides a bad name??
January 19, 2007 at 3:12 am
“It serves as a Very Effective and Classic SMEAR Tool for the Feminist to SCARE OFF any Quality Western Men and Russian Women from attempting a relationship with each other. ”
Wow – you really hate feminists, don’t you?
Why? What have they done to you? If you are happily living you life, what is your problem?
Fine. Western men – go marry Russian women – continue the better form of Globalisation.
January 19, 2007 at 3:29 am
Oh, boy, this’ll be fun!!!
I’ll start:
“feminists are just people who want equal opportunities for EVERYONE”
A HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAAH AA HA HAH AH HA AHAHAH AH AHA HA HAH AH AHA AH HAAA HA!!!!!!!!
That’s a good one!
January 19, 2007 at 4:55 am
Aussie Kim, we DO hate feminism, or rather what it’s morphing into, namely a forced de-stablization and de-population of societies around the globe. We hate feminism because under the surface, it’s little difference than fascism, communism and all these other “isms” that killed untold millions of people over the past 100 years and even longer. Not to mention the fact feminism has made interactions between men and women so damned unpleasent for so many people, men and women alike too. The fact that most women buy into it without thinking about what they are doing, or even being aware of it, is another reason why western men are turning their backs on western women. I’ve decided I would much rather be with a Ukrainian, Russian or asian woman or remain alone if I cannot emmigrate from here. There’s nothing in it for me to be married to or romantically involved with an American women. I got better things to do than drop dead of a heart attack because of the stress from dealing with their bad and amoral behavior.
Taras
January 19, 2007 at 5:09 am
“A HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAAH AA HA HAH AH HA AHAHAH AH AHA HA HAH AH AHA AH HAAA HA!!!!!!!!
That’s a good one!”
Yeah. *blink*
And that’s not.
Believe what you like, but the only thing your reply indicates is that you hate women because you are apparently incapable of believing that women are capable of being different from each other and holding a variety of opinions.
Your loss.
January 19, 2007 at 5:24 am
Taras – in pre-feminism times do you seriously believe that everyone was happy? Do you actually think that life was easier for women (and men)?
Would you like to go back to the times when women had to have sex with their husbands whenever they demanded, even though it meant they were permanently pregnant (because contraception was NOT allowed, thus making women fear contact with their husbands), had 10 kids by the age of 30, a miserable, poverty-stricken life and everyone was dead by 40 at most?
They don’t call it the feminist “revolution” for nothing – revolutions happen quickly and take time to settle down.
It’s ok, really – we’ll get there and the more rampant feminists will be ignored if and when their rantings become _entirely_ pointless. (which they are not quite, yet, even if they _mostly_ are for most people)
Many men had too much power for too long (ever seen the poster where it stated that while all men, including drunk men and insane men could vote, females could not, not even clever ones like doctors), so the balance had to swing back the other way eventually. Now maybe it’s swung a bit far in some circumstances, but it’s ok – it will right itself eventually, especially if people just stay calm and educate themselves and present good arguments to educate others.
I guess while I call myself a feminist, I’m really an “equalist”. Feminism, as you pointed out, if used to squash instead of nuture, is just as evil as any other “-ism”.
January 19, 2007 at 11:12 am
Hi Max,
That’s a really heartwarming and heavy hitting story..
Yes the Russian Girls that I know just light up around little kids big time.
I also love the perspective you put into this.. Cause yes there are lots of guy’s who dream about having sometype of exotic super car..
But you can’t exactly sleep with that now can you?
Hell I think you should take more trips to Ikea with your girlfriend and talk to the guys.. Let them know there is hope and turn them onto this site..
Truly a win win win win situation if I ever did hear of one..
a Win for your country, family, wife and YOU..
Keep writing my man..
GL
January 19, 2007 at 11:12 am
Hi Jim,
Thanks for bringing that up to our attention.. Obviously I’d like to encourage all you guys out there to support any kind of overturning of this stupid and orwellian piece of legislation which is nothing more then a form of Monopoly Protection for American Women. Please keep us updated on this…
Also thanks so much for your information and tips regarding the Wikipedia article. If any number of us can keep an eye on this I’d really appreciate it..
GL
January 19, 2007 at 11:15 am
Hi Canajun,
May weather should be great.. don’t worry and just enjoy the ride.. 🙂
January 19, 2007 at 11:24 am
“Believe what you like, but the only thing your reply indicates is that you hate women because you are apparently incapable of believing that women are capable of being different from each other and holding a variety of opinions.”
No, what it indicates is that you need to open your eyes and take a good look at the real world.
And stop putting words in my mouth.
(gasp! I used an imperative! And now I must face the wrath of married2abrit)
January 19, 2007 at 11:45 am
Taras, you are absolutely right about Western Women’s amoral behavior. And Aussie Kim is a perfect example of this amoral behavior. Because to come onto someone else’s website in order to be a bombthrower and speak in a rude, illogical manner is most certainly amoral.
–Luke Skywalker.
January 19, 2007 at 2:34 pm
No Aussie Kim, I’m well aware from personal experience with my paternal grandparents and father of that fact. Marriage is no bed of roses, and there were unhappy marriages before femininsm. But the fact remains, feminism has made MORE people’s lives, men and women alike a living Hell than ever before. It’s yet another Big Lie that’s being spoon feed to an increasingly lemming like population who accepts whatever they’re told without question. But the wolves out there, and I am one of them, are not so easily led by the nose over the cliff. As for feminism being a revolution, it is nothing less than that. Like all revolutons, it produced chaos, destruction and vast numbers of casualties. Revolutions merely sow the seeds for the next one, whether it’s with bullets and bombs or with ideas and philosophies. The fallout’s the same. I must point out that you’re wrong about women having no power. If you study history at all, you’ll know women can and do wield a lot of power, often from behind the scenes but sometimes in the spotlight. That was true 2,000 years ago and more just as it is today. Women these days around the world are heads of state now. In Russia, women are refered to as “the neck that turns the head.” It’s also a myth that men have all the power, you are way off the mark there. Sure most of the most powerful are men. But men are also most of the most powerless among us. Who’s the majority among those killed in wars? Men. Who’s the majority in prison? Men. Who’s most likely to be labled behavoir problems, suspended from schools, forcibly medicated? Boys and young men. Who does most of the dangerous work and work long hours? Men. So don’t tell me that men have all the power, because we don’t. There is truth in the statement “Behind every man is a woman.” If you disagree with me, then try living in Saudia Arabia as a western woman, and you’ll see I’m right. I’m all for fair treatment of men and women, but benefiting one at the expense of the other only provokes a backlash at best with unpredictable consequences that are often distrous. Femiminsm’s a disaster for men, women, and most especially children.
Taras
January 19, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Just on the Russian ladies and children…
It is so true – they are drawn to each other, and as a guy, I can tell you it is nothing short of magical to witness this.
With my own Russian princess, not only does she delight in being with children, but she is like a “child magnet”. Young children, especially little girls are just drawn to her, and want to spend time with her. It’s truly a beautiful thing.
I have a tough time picturing little girls milling around a feminist radical with great enthusiasm. But maybe that’s just me. Or maybe that’s just reality.
January 19, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Taras, consider this too: women hae achieved an historically unprecedented social transformation in a single generation, without a shot being fired or a single drop of blood being shed. How do the powerless achieve something like that?
“Who’s the majority among those killed in wars? Men.” They have an answer for that: “Well, it’s men who make war!” Guess they never heard of Indira Ghandi, Golda Meir, Cleopatra, Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth, just for a start.
January 19, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Oh Shaun Alexander..I know I haven’t been there yet but I just know that its oh so true..I want to live in Russia/Siberia forever and never come back to the West. Never ever, not even for one second..
–Luke Skywalker
January 19, 2007 at 6:31 pm
“Yeah. *blink*” (Aussie Kim)
Is that some kind of Ozzie thing? Went right past me. But it’s apparently meant to be devastating, so you get an E for effort.
January 20, 2007 at 6:01 am
Oh, I love kids too! I can’t wait to have my own. Whenever I go grocery shopping I can’t stop myself from giggling at the little ones trying to zealously push their parent’s cart.
Aussie kim, you said “in pre-feminism times do you seriously believe that everyone was happy? Do you actually think that life was easier for women (and men)?”. Actually, life was easier love wise. There used to be laws where it was legal to drag your neighbor outside and beat him to death if he abused his wife, and there’s certainly endless tales of men working themselves to death in the Victorian ages so their wives wouldn’t have to work in hatshops. That time is unfortunately gone; women aren’t women anymore.
January 20, 2007 at 6:28 am
“Who’s the majority among those killed in wars? Men. Who’s the majority in prison? Men. Who’s most likely to be labled behavoir problems, suspended from schools, forcibly medicated? Boys and young men. Who does most of the dangerous work and work long hours? Men. So don’t tell me that men have all the power, because we don’t.”
And who sends these men to war? – Other men.
And why DO so many men go to prison? – because they commit crimes. (So don’t – easy)
However – wars and crimes and all sorts of problems could be prevents/curbed by EDUCATION.
Give a guy education and he’s less likely to have to resort to crime to survive.
Give people education and they are less likely to be ignorant and just MAYBE there will be fewer wars. (Take George Bush as an example – he is STUPID, so he goes to war…)
IF politicans (the VAST MAJORITY of whom are male) spent MORE money on education, you would find problems lessening, for men and women.
January 20, 2007 at 6:29 am
Erm. What I _meant_ was: EDUCATION (for everyone) is the problem, NOT feminism.
January 20, 2007 at 8:28 am
To Hero – they met them several ways actually – two from the internet, two from travel and just meeting the locals, and one from a friend.
Lots of ways to do it, a mix of all three is probably best.
All of us could not be happier!!!
A wife that actually wants you to be happy, and defines herself by the state of her home. Find that in america.
January 20, 2007 at 8:31 am
For ‘Jim Peterson’ – right on brother!
IMBRA is why I officially left the Republican party. It was signed by a Republican president and passed by a Republican controlled Hill.
In a way I am glad, not being tied to one of the major parties is liberating.
January 20, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Many people on this site have mentioned how the Western World is turning into an Orwellian nightmare at an increasingly rapid rate. A perfect example of this happened to me last night.
Check out:
http://siberianow.wordpress.com/2007/01/20/another-incident-with-yet-another-unruly-person-person-calls-security-on-me-for-wanting-to-move-to-siberia/
==Luke Skywalker
January 20, 2007 at 4:22 pm
“A wife that actually wants you to be happy, and defines herself by the state of her home.”
Hallelujah, Rule62! And there’s another dimension of that. When I was visiting my girlfriend in Odessa a long time ago, I remember her mother saying that how a man looks is a reflection on his wife, i.e. she should take just as much care in his appearance as in her own.
(Unfortunately, as it turned out, the girlfriend was liberated from all that.)
January 20, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Hi Shaun,
I never realize that about the kids being drawn to these ladies as being noteworthy because I see it all the time here and I’ve almost taken it for granted.
The kids just always seem to be calm and near by their mothers or other ladies that are looking after them..
I always chalked it up to being a characteristic of these children and the way they are raised and nurtured. And I’ve written about this in a previous post.
But to hear this SAME Observation about a Russian Lady in the US with kids hovering around her is a STUNNING revelation to me.
Please tell us more about this. 🙂
January 20, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Hi Craig,
Isn’t that a Total Trip?
When your lady starts to inspect you over and actually care about how you look before you step outside the door!
Whether she’s dusting off some lint off your shoulder, straightening out your collar, or making sure you jacket looks good on you..
It’s just those little things in a relationship that adds up real quick into something huge and priceless.
The first time this was done to me I was stunned at the attention to detail paid to me..
Or should I say flattered and honored that a beautiful lady would do that instinctively just to help me look my best.
🙂
January 20, 2007 at 6:23 pm
MMMMMmmmmmmmm…
The only problem is, after that kind of treatment I don’t think I’d want to leave the house..
(And I guess that would also mean, no more buying my clothes at Walmart!)
January 20, 2007 at 6:46 pm
GL wrote:
“When your lady starts to inspect you over and actually care about how you look before you step outside the door!
Whether she’s dusting off some lint off your shoulder, straightening out your collar, or making sure you jacket looks good on you..
It’s just those little things in a relationship that adds up real quick into something huge and priceless”
This post reminded me of a professor here in the Statistics department. This guy makes six figures per year, yet he shows up for work every day looking like a hobo-I am not in the least exaggerating. I just assumed that he was single and was shocked to the core when I went to the department Christmas party and met his wife!! How can she let him leave the house looking like that?!
January 20, 2007 at 6:51 pm
“How can she let him leave the house looking like that?!”
Maybe the recent barrage from Aussie Kim and her sistahs sheds some light on the subject!
January 21, 2007 at 3:05 am
I want to pick up on the thread of R.W. interacting with children. I have found the same, and although it was always noticable I didn’t read to much into it initially.
However, on reflection I think there is a significant difference in the way these women view children i.e. not as an embodiment of threat to a ‘life-plan’ (whatever that means to a given individual), or as something risky in terms of political correctness and child safety, but as a good and normal part of life.
My own wife is very natural with children. Unbelievably so, and she is not afraid to show it. She can interact with children in public, in the street without self conciousness or worrying about P.C. or any kind of self doubt. She just does it automatically, and the children seem to love the attention.
She took a temporary work position in a nursery organisation during her first years after relocation, where she taught games and activities the other staff just didn’t know about (and basically couldn’t keep up with, although a few made their own effort and followed the example she set). She could understand simple needs like ‘send the children to this day-trip and they get bored and aggrevated which is a problem for all, but send them here instead and they enjoy it and life is good for all’ when the other staff were thinking ‘we’ll take them there because we always do that on tuesday and it says so on the roster so thats that’ (i.e. no responsibility, no risk, children collect the bill). She drew portraits of the children which they took to their parents and encouraged them to do their own, while the other staff sat in the kitchen and discussed TV. There seemed to be no end to the number of way she could understand and interact with them, and she got respect from them. I always found this amazing because I got so used to the chilling atmosphere between adults and children of strangers, which is of course a product of our current ‘world’, (however you want to interpret that – I’ll leave it there).
I think there is a distinct difference in world view between Russian Women and children (on the whole, but in the end it means individuals) which is becoming rather rare in western culture through fear and ignorance. Russians are classically fearless when it comes to the invisible, and not averse to risk when its reasonable. I hope that they don’t ever get worn down by us, or the processes that have led us here.
It’s not a rant, so I’ll leave it at that.
January 21, 2007 at 5:54 am
Visitor,
That’s an incredible story.. and it’s really added great detail to what I see here with Russian Women and children..
For example.. when you see these women leading large groups of children on a walk for example it totally reminds me of how instincitively baby ducks willl follow mama duck.. even if the baby ducks have different mothers. The ENERGY these women have around children is totally different and you are right the kids give them respect without the women having to revert to any type of harsh measures, indifference, or attitude.
Please keep commenting on this.. It’s obviously an important item to know..
GL
January 21, 2007 at 6:29 am
Wow.
To the “visitor” – that’s a brilliant example.
The difference in basic interaction and therefore in child-raising itself is absolutely fundamental.
GL – that’s interesting what you say.
Cutting it down to basics – I think very young children are similar from anywhere around the world – just watch as any very young child is drawn to any other very young child. It happens every time.
Why? They feel they can “relate” or “connect”.
In the West, most children and adults don’t relate/connect anywhere near as well as they seem to in Russia/FSU. This leads to most of the children having only their friends/peers as their focus in later life, NOT family.
A big difference I notice between here in the West and in FSU countries, is that over there, the kids continue being “wholesome” as they grow up, whereas in the West they quickly fall to consumerism, peer group pressures, and believe that “the world revolves around me and owes me something/everything” rather than adhering to the basic ideals of “family”.
The children of Russia/FSU do come across as being polite, well-behaved, and content. They are balanced. Not only does that reflect greatly upon them, and their families and communities, but most importantly upon their mothers. Yes, the way they are nurtured differently is critical.
So back to my earlier point – it’s not just my wifes stunning appearance that attracts the little girls around her, it’s the way she carries herself and warms to the children in an instant. The kids are looking for that, and love it. They otherwise mostly only find that appealing connection in other children.
Unfortunately, in the West, as those same little girls get older, their attitude hardens and they then look upon almost everyone else around them with scorn – either from jealousy or insecurity.
Therein lies the tragedy!
January 21, 2007 at 6:41 am
To Aussie Kim –
I fundamentally agree with what you say on education, but perhaps there’s an irony to what you are saying.
Remember that the education level in Russia and FSU countries is HIGHER than in the U.S. or Australia.
The rate of FEMALE higher education is MUCH higher than in the West.
These women are highly educated, but still believe family comes first, and the nurturing of children is not a chore, but an honour, a joy, and a “life fundamental”.
That deserves respect and admiration in my books.
January 21, 2007 at 10:27 am
Ever seen the women on match.com? I was a member and I can tell you that finding a quality, somewhat attractive woman is like searching for the lost city of Atlantis—maybe it’s there, but good luck finding it. A typical add goes like this, “I am 32, curvy (we know that really means fat) and want a man between 22 and 31 and you should make over $100,000, and you must be 6’1” or taller)”. Keep dreaming honey! I finally found my “mail order bride”, age 22, 5’8”, eyes like blue diamonds, trim and fit, loves family and God. On February 8, I will put on my UPS uniform, fly to the Ukraine, wrap her up and bring her home. The world’s a big place, fortunately UPS ships to internationally. You should see my Ukrainian “MOB”; she is quite a package!
January 21, 2007 at 11:31 am
“The rate of FEMALE higher education is MUCH higher than in the West.
These women are highly educated, but still believe family comes first, and the nurturing of children is not a chore, but an honour, a joy, and a “life fundamental”.”
True, but how much choice do they actually have? It’s all very well for women to get degrees and such, but if doctors (for example) get paid so little they can barely live, why not just stay at home and let someone else bring home the bacon, as it were.
I just mention this because I remember a documentary from a few years ago during which they interviewed a family of doctors in Russia who _used_ the live quite well and earned a good living during the Communist era, but once it fell, their fortunes (like those around them) plummeted and at the time of the interview, they were living in a dark basement and they had no money. (I don’t actually remember if any of them had jobs, or their jobs paid so badly that they could barely afford to live)
Please feel free to let me know if I’m completely mistaken.
Also – please don’t ever think that I am against women staying at home and taking care of their families – more power to them, says I, I just believe that ANY choices that women make need to be educated choices and freely-made choices.
I also firmly believe that fathers should have more involvement in the lives of their children – mothers and fathers should share and their lives should NOT be ruled by their work and their bosses and managers, etc. The pursuit of the almighty dollar (rouble!) is REALLY the biggest evil in this world.
January 21, 2007 at 11:32 am
But you;re right about education – from what I can see of the US education system, it’s a complete waste of time. OF course, if George Bush spent all his money on education, instead of the war…(just IMAGINE!)
January 21, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Hi Joe O and welcome aboard.
Well I haven’t had the “pleasure” of searching through Match.com recently.. so I’ll certainly take your word for it.
Sounds NASTY Man..
In anycase I’m totally stoked that you have your own “MOB” (ha ha ha)..
Just make sure the other UPS guys don’t try to steal her in transit.. 😉
I’m sure she’s a very hot commodity 🙂
Please keep us updated on how everything goes..
Congratulations again..
Cheers GL
January 21, 2007 at 3:43 pm
I totally agree about match.com. It’s a freak show.
January 21, 2007 at 4:15 pm
I second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth that. Most ads read like a laundry list of terrorist demands, complete with monster truck. And of course the obligatory “I don’t NEED a man” usually gets worked in there somewhere.
January 21, 2007 at 11:34 pm
Wow – you really hate women. Tell me – do you spend time and money on your appearance every day, or is that _her_ job too? Or does she just have to put up with your ugliness ‘cos she’s the Little Woman and that’s her job?
I am here in this particular thread because there are respondents here WORTH talking with.
If I am a socialist it’s partly due to the fact that I live in Australia (we have a functioning social security system and health care system that I am perfectly happy to pay taxes towards) and due to the fact that I look at some capitalist societies and see that they have no heart, no soul, no care, no responsibility and no way back.
I’m not really much of a socialist – I was completely apolitical at university – I just think societies and communities need to care about individuals more. Government intervention? There should be less – people should be able to make their own decisions, but I do think big business needs to develop more morals and ethics – do you actually think it’s ok for big business to screw over people in developing countries so you can live in your capitalist utopia?
Of course Communism is a dangerous practice. It’s just like religion, but with a different god. The leaders are just as corrupt as they can be in religious places and they wield the same power in the same way (but hiding information from the masses).
Now – can we please continue with the civilised conversation that had already started in this thread? I would like to be lead to believe that not ALL Yanks scream “COMMUNIST!” whenever they come across someone who doesn’t toe the “Money is everything, people are sh*t” line.
Thanks and good luck.
January 21, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Erm – I meant “by hiding information”, not “but hiding info”.
Sorry.
January 22, 2007 at 12:16 am
“Wow – you really hate women.” No, just you. 🙂
Kimmie – I thought you made your grand exit a couple of days ago, with a rhetorical flourish and a final curse. Whatever happened to that? Do you even know whether you’re coming or going?
You’re the only one screaming here. You’re the only one here not capable of an intelligent and civilized conversation, who comes in and derails same with your bitter invective and programmed sound bites, that you think can take the place of rational thought. Not among intelligent people, they can’t.
But if it will make you go away (again?), then yes, all Yanks believe money is everything and people are sh*t. Plus, as has been pointed out elsewhere, we’re duuuuumb!! (And- we have tails, too!)
So why bother? You’re just wasting your time here. We’re not worth it. You’re better than this. (..in my best Obiwan Kenobie voice…)
January 22, 2007 at 12:17 am
“Aussie Kim, we DO hate feminism, or rather what it’s morphing into, namely a forced de-stablization and de-population of societies around the globe.”
Hi again,
I’m not sure this is so true anymore – in many places, women’s new-found ability to start up small businesses and raise some money for themselves (in developing countries) has meant that they have gained new status within their communities and have been able to help their communities survive and thrive a little easier.
Also – in countries like mine, more women are demanding the right to be able to stay home with their kids without being labelled and stigmatised as women who can’t really come back to work later in life because they have no skills. They are openly challenging the notion that mothers have nothing to contribute to society.
Feminism means CHOICE – the choice to work, the choice to work at home, the choice to stay home and work at bringing up their children. It also means choices for MEN. Sure – there ARE crazy women out there who are as nasty to men as they can possibly manage – but who MARRIES these women???? No one forces them – why can’t men AVOID these “harpies” and teach them to behave by avoiding them?
Eventually, people will wake up and be sensible and avoid nasty women/men, but until that time, some people will suffer because of their bad choices.
Look – I, for one, know that I am not perfect. My boyfriend and I have been together for 12 years and we don’t even live together! (He is eight years younger than me, and we’ve been dating since he was 18). I respect his (and my!)right to have a life of his own and to have his own space. He is a caring, gorgeous, wonderful man and many women adore him (rightly so!), but i have never felt the need to tie him down and demand “ok – time to settle down!”. We are having loads of fun the way we are and we are still together. (I may not be skinny, but he loves my curves and quite happily answers “YES!” on the few occasions I ever bother to ask “does my bum look big in this?”)
I often cook dinner or lunch for him and my housemates (both guys) – they work hard and it means a lot to me to be able to spoil them and make a bit of a fuss over them occasionally because they’re tired and, in the case of my housemates, international students trying to survive in a foreign country. I may very well be some ranting, raving, chubby, average-looking woman, but I believe in friends, family, communities and being good to one another.
I really believe this whole “loony feminist” thing will eventually settle down and people will ALL have rights and the power to achieve their goals and be more content and happy within themselves.
January 22, 2007 at 12:18 am
Aussie kim-
1st fallacy – making a personal attack on someone to slander them and make them seem less creditibly than you (Or does she just have to put up with your ugliness ‘cos she’s the Little Woman and that’s her job?)
2nd fallacy- Hasty generalizations “some capitalist societies and see that they have no heart, no soul, no care, no responsibility and no way back.” This is based off of your personal opinion and no facts. Actually, why is the marriage rate so high in Russia if there’s no soul or heart or care?
3rd fallacy – “a functioning social security system and health care system that I am perfectly happy to pay taxes towards” This has nothing to do with the arguement of russian women as wives. Red herring.
4th fallacy – “do you actually think it’s ok for big business to screw over people in developing countries so you can live in your capitalist utopia?” Again, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIAN WOMEN.
5th Fallacy – Discrediting the other posters, YET AGAIN. “I would like to be lead to believe that not ALL Yanks scream “COMMUNIST!”” That again is another Hasty Generalization.
God, that’s alot of fallacies to go with just 3 paragraphs worth of political jargon..
Last time I checked this website said “Russian Women” and not “World Politics told by Aussie Kim”
January 22, 2007 at 12:58 am
GL, it’s too bad there isn’t a way to enforce a rule that anyone wanting to post here must actually READ the entire site first. Maybe a multiple choice test or something.:) With bonus points for THINKING ABOUT what they’ve read, too??
Because most of the harpies that dive-bomb into here think that the preconceived hate, drilled into them in their wymmyns studies courses, tells them all they need to know.
If they do read anything here, it’s a quick skim to pick out a few random comments that they think reinforce their dogma, to use as ammunition. Even then, they have to twist it beyond recognition before they can pretend that what they’re saying makes any sense.
January 22, 2007 at 12:58 am
2 – Probably because I don’t count Russia as one of “those capitalist societies” that I was referring to. I generally meant the US and anyone like them. (Increasing Australia, nowdays, sadly)
January 22, 2007 at 1:02 am
“Last time I checked this website said “Russian Women” and not “World Politics told by Aussie Kim””
I was responding to posts from someone else – GET OVER IT and if you don’t want to participate in the conversation I was having SOMEONE ELSE, don’t say anything.
Typical loud-mothed Yanks – EVERYTHING revolves around you, doesn’t it? Including your “non-mail-order, but very well-behaved and not-at-all dependent” wives.
Ok – I thought this thread was a better place to talk, but I was wrong.
Good luck – you’re going to need it.
January 22, 2007 at 1:11 am
“Including your “non-mail-order, but very well-behaved and not-at-all dependent” wives.”
Hate to break it to you, but I sorta fall under that category 😛
January 22, 2007 at 1:18 am
Great points, Kara.
It’s always amazing to hear someone like that whining about the “artificial” standard of attractiveness that the “patriarchy” imposes on them, then turn around and say “you’re only looking for a Russian wife because you’re too old, fat, ugly, and disgusting to attract a gem like me.”
Actually, it doesn’t amaze me anymore. I’ve spent years being amused at liberals’ attempts to think in a straight line and be consistent from one sentence to the next.
January 22, 2007 at 1:20 am
Wait a minute here kzarz…
These American Women actually have the NERVE to go up and say something insulting about a man’s wife to his very FACE?!? How despicable?! Who would do that!?!
–Luke Skywalker
Man, I missed alot when I was gone. I really wonder why fugly feminists post on this board. They will never change the way we feel about feminism so why even bother? I wish they just use their energies to neuter their cats.
Unfortunately, Luke that’s what happens when these Ameri-skanks get a couple of drinks in them. They have the unmitigated gall to approach me and question the integrity of my wife. But they’re so sloshed that they couldn’t form a complete sentence without some amount of drool.
January 22, 2007 at 1:25 am
Kymmye, you wouldn’t last a minute living under the conditions that the “submissive wallflowers” whom you have so much contempt for deal with every day of their lives.
(This has been pointed out many times here, but since I know you haven’t read or absorbed anything that’s been written, I thought it bore repeating.)
January 22, 2007 at 1:48 am
I agree with you on that Kara, life was definitely easier lovewise. At least everyone knew how to act and what was expected of them. Not anymore, and that is why there’s such tension between the sexes.
Taras
January 22, 2007 at 1:52 am
“Kymmye, you wouldn’t last a minute living under the conditions that the “submissive wallflowers” whom you have so much contempt for deal with every day of their lives.”
Just for once – you are EXACTLY right, I wouldn’t. No way.
I live among equals – it’s easier that way.
And in their defence, I wasn’t abusing the wives – I just think you lot “protest too much” and deep down really DO need a woman to be dependent upon you and yet ALSO be your mother… *shudder*
And you’re right – those Russian women are probably a class above all of us – you and me – because they’ve managed to survive all the sh*t they’ve been put through (mostly by men) for centuries, just like women everywhere…
January 22, 2007 at 2:23 am
“demanding the right to be able to stay home with their kids” – What a bizarre phrase that is! After demanding the right to work, yelling “sexist pig!” because an employer assumed you were going to quit at some point in order to have kids, then demanding paid maternity leave and onsite child care (and getting it!), now suddenly the patriarchy is oppressing you by – giving you what you wanted!
“Feminism means CHOICE” – Yes, choice for women, while men fullfill their traditional role of working to support whatever choice a woman decides works for her at the moment.
“Sure – there ARE crazy women out there who are as nasty to men as they can possibly manage” – Out there?? What about in here?
“We are having loads of fun the way we are” – That’s what it’s all about, I guess.
“I may very well be some ranting, raving, chubby, average-looking woman” – MAY VERY WELL?? Admit it, you cook for them in order to obligate them to listen to your bitter harangues, and they bite their tongues and suffer indigestion, putting up with it for the free meal. Can you say .. CODEPENDENCE?
“I believe in friends, family, communities and being good to one another” – Except when you’re here, hiding behind your internet anonymity, and you don’t have to actually be accountable for anything you do.
“I really believe this whole loony feminist thing will eventually settle down and people will ALL have rights and the power to achieve their goals and be more content and happy within themselves.” – That’s because you’re a loony feminist.
Don’t think that you can spew your bile, then turn around and be all nicey-nice, and expect us to buy that crap. That doesn’t work anymore. Not in here.
January 22, 2007 at 2:27 am
And once again, you show your absolute and incurable ignorance.
January 22, 2007 at 2:28 am
re: “I just think you lot “protest too much” and deep down really DO need a woman to be dependent upon you and yet ALSO be your mother… *shudder*”
January 22, 2007 at 2:47 am
That’s a great tactic! I’ll have to remember that. Lemme write this down: “When someone disagrees with the absolute truth, which I am the sacred keeper of, then they ‘protest too much’ “. Slick! My hat’s off to you.
January 22, 2007 at 2:55 am
“Admit it, you cook for them in order to obligate them to listen to your bitter harangues, and they bite their tongues and suffer indigestion, putting up with it for the free meal. Can you say .. CODEPENDENCE?”
And you call ME ignorant? Our meal times are joyful and happy and full of laughter and jokes. You’re just a professional hater, aren’t you?
Get it through your thick, childish, whiny skull – I DON’T HATE MEN.
January 22, 2007 at 3:15 am
“You’re just a professional hater, aren’t you?”
Yeah, and I make a lot of money at it. Which is all that matters. Or haven’t you been paying attention?
“I DON’T HATE MEN.”
I know. Just us.
January 22, 2007 at 8:40 am
Referring to the Wikipedia article, which I have to agree was woeful to say the least, at least the first two paragraphs have been altered to be more balanced and accurate.
Of course, see how long it last before the more offensive and biased version returns…
January 22, 2007 at 8:43 am
Kim –
What makes discussions like this work is when participants give arguments based on rational thought, not responding in anger because they have taken something personally.
Kim, you’d be good at it if you slowed down and put a bit more thought into what you come out with. I have to say Kara’s responses to you do make sense.
And firing broadsides at everyone calling them “typical Yanks” (etc) is rather strange, since not everyone here is American, and secondly, they aren’t typical if they are critisizing (and even turning their backs on) what IS typical now days in the U.S.
January 22, 2007 at 10:35 am
Craig- Thanks! It’s pretty easy picking out these fallacy’s after my semester in Rhetorics. I wonder how she can claim that being more educated helps you be more femminist, I’ve found it’s the exact opposite!
kzarz- Wow! Women actually do approach you like that? I didn’t think anyone would, I would be complimenting you on such a great catch. I suppose she’s competition and oh noes we can’t have that!
Taras – as they say, chivalry is dead because woman killed it. It’s had a big ripple effect too, it seems most of the guys I know have never had a relationship that required courting or even dates! Imagine their faces when I say no, despite them having “dated” dozens of other girls.
“demanding the right to be able to stay home with their kids”
I don’t know about you, but isn’t that the complete opposite of femminism? Femminists want women to have the “choice” to work in 9-5 jobs instead of staying at home, so why would they want maternity leave? Even if I was offered it, I would rather quit. It’s not fair to the company to promise work and then to quit BUT STILL GET PAID. How selfish, is that all they can think about is how much they get? Just having a husband who loved me enough to have children with me is more than enough.
January 22, 2007 at 11:36 am
Good thing is chivalry is not dead when it comes to Russian women.
Chivalry is welcomed by Russian women, and will take a man far in their eyes.
A woman loves to walk “on the arm” of her man and have him assist her through doors, etc. It’s classic stuff.
You love it. She loves it. It’s beautiful!
January 22, 2007 at 2:34 pm
Kara : Thank you for your kind words. My wife is a catch and I am the lucky one. If you see both of us together, you will see that I am the one beaming with pride and she is always the radiant one.
Shaun A: Sorry about the Seahawks. I was really puilling for them to go to the NFC championship game against the Bears. Before I met my wife, i practiced no chivalrous acts on women save for my sister, my daughter and those women who I feel deverve it (like little old ladies with wlakers) . I practice “selective chivalry” and to tell you the truth, it makes me less stressful knowing I don’t have to hold the door open for the skanks around me. I find that I am more efficient in my errands. But at home it is different, it makes me feel good when I am “the knight” around my wife and my daughters.
Socialist Kim: Of course, you hate men. It’s obvious from your posts. Everyone here can see it. Why can’t you?
January 22, 2007 at 2:37 pm
“A woman loves to walk “on the arm” of her man and have him assist her through doors, etc. It’s classic stuff.”
I dated an American girl who spit nails when she recounted her business trips to S. America, where the men in a group would run ahead to open the door for her. She was SO offended by that courtesy!
January 22, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Kim, your boyfriend puts up with the facts that (1) You’re 8 years older than he is
(2) You have a big bum
(3) You live with male house mates
Well, I hate to break it to you, but your boyfriend is a total mangina.
January 22, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Acutally, let’s re-think this.
He’s got a 8 year relationship GF with Socailist Ossie Kim. She doesn’t pressure him into marriage. She sometimes cooks for him. He gets sex, frequency unknown. She also cooks for his friends and male housemates. Sounds like something kinky may be going on. Sounds like they all live in some kind of commune.
I don’t whether to feel sorry for the guy or give him a high five. I think he’s got his cake and is eating it too.
Hero: “mangina” – That was priceless. Gotta use that term more often.
January 22, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Thanks Kzarz, but I can’t take credit for the term “mangina” since I didn’t make it up. I don’t know who was the first one to coin that term.
January 22, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Hero – LMAO
Kzarz – I didn’t even know Shaun Alexander (the footballer) existed until two weeks ago. Now everyone delights in reminding me!
I’m older than him so I believe I have first rights to my name!
January 23, 2007 at 12:26 am
Kara:
‘Femminists want women to have the “choice” to work in 9-5 jobs instead of staying at home, so why would they want maternity leave?’
Because they deserve to have IT ALL. And if they can’t it’s because men are oppressing them.
kzarz:
‘I think he’s got his cake and is eating it too.’
Yeah, too bad it’s a fruitcake.
January 23, 2007 at 12:31 am
Wow, Aussie Kim’s really got it in for the male gender. Is it time for another colorful metaphor? Yes Kim, women have suffered because of men, but the reverse also is true. Instead of pointing fingers at each other, men and women should be working on reconciliation, but the feminasties want to continue and expand the conflict that’s already between the sexes. And no, I am no Yank my dear, I am a Ukrainian-American whose father still travels to the old country. Stop posting like someone yanked your knickers into a wad.
Taras
January 24, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Oh, looks like I’ve missed much talk )
…sero venientibus – OSSA… (sorry for the pun)
In that miserable period of adolescent insecurity we have to undergo, I made an observation that one is afraid of children Because They, Like, See You Through… can see something wrong inside you, or something real you try to shy away from…
Later, another observation came… The degree of your Femininity and Integrity is told by how much you love to gaze a-smiling at kids, and they at you…
But, back to the topic… As usual, responsibility and warfare are a two-way street. It’s not only out of feminism that MOB concept’s legs grow out from…
http://www.rwguide.com/forums/topic.cfm?topic=2290&page=1
A disgraceful example of “What you see is what you get”. As the faith, so the Heaven.
Sincerely,
Comrade Natalia (anti-Soviet))
January 24, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Wow.
If that’s “Advanced Discussion”, I’d be worried about the lower end of the scale.
January 24, 2007 at 9:36 pm
Hey, how do you get permission to post on http://www.rwguide.com? I registered and I still can’t post messages.
January 26, 2007 at 12:21 am
The truth is that Men in the USA are bailing on Marriage. And US Women are in a snit over that fact. US Men don’t want to be “Cashed out” on. Shere Hite states that where children are involved “ninety percent of divorces are initiated by US Women”. Let the die alone with their Cats.
Men are becoming immune to their lies, disinformation and BS. Their insults and shaming language are falling on Deaf ears. We are indifferent to them, and no longer care about them. This is their fault. They refuse to address the situation.
The IMBRA is an attempt to regulate market demand for wives. Put into effect by Gender Feminists. Whose Pussy Whipped Butt wipers are claiming,while lying out their asses that 51% of US Women are now single by Choice. That is a bold faced LIE.
Long live the Marriage Strike. Bail on US Women, until they restore some equity. Meanwhile Eastern European Women are top notch in all respects. Feminine, Dignified, Strong, Attractive everything a Man could want in a companion. US Women are screwed. Suck it up Girls.
January 26, 2007 at 5:11 am
Yup, they are indeed bailing out on marriage Krankrum. Like a fighter pilot ejecting from his disintegrating plane after a missile blew it out of the air that is. As for American women adressing the situation, they won’t until either it’s far too late or the abyss is staring them in the face.
Taras
January 26, 2007 at 11:45 am
Aussie kim is just one crazy example of the way Australian women are. Us Aussie men are sick of it and the mangina police force, who are enforcing ridiculous laws on us to empower women. They want to pass a law for us to stop standing while we piss for god sake.
January 26, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Hey Taras, fun fact:
Taras was the name of a city in Ancient Greece.
In fact, I thought of that when I first came to this site, but I kept forgetting to mention it.
–Luke Skywalker
January 26, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Aaron – wouldn’t equality mean they get to have a Urinal or “trough” to pee in like us rather than make us take a seat? Just a thought.
January 26, 2007 at 8:41 pm
That’s right Siberianow. Taras was as legend has it, the founder of an ancient Greek city named Tarentum, now Tarento Italy. Like the city I live in now, Tarento is and has been a bustling port city for more than 2,500 years. Taras is my first name and it’s a common masculine name in Ukraine, which is where my father is from.
Taras
January 27, 2007 at 1:15 am
Heard on Dr Laura..
married couple buys his and her copies of Dr Laura’s book “The Proper Care and Feeding of Marriage”.
The wife knowing her husband “highlights” his reading tries to one-up him. She highlights her copy with all the things HE needs to do to improve their marriage.
She then proceeds to peek at his copy of the book. She discovered he had highlighted all the things he needs to change about himself to improve his marriage.
Beware of the woman who blames everyone else for her problems.
…and bring to your relationship the best person you can be.
January 28, 2007 at 3:48 pm
Khankrumthebulgar..
That’s a heck of a statistic you pulled out about 90 percent of women initiating divorces when children are involved. I had no idea it was that skewed but then again if i think of the financial incentives that exist for them that it makes sense. Thanks for the info and keep on posting..
GL
January 30, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Our Women were not like this before Feminism. My Grandmother raised 9 children. Sent her Sons off to fight in WW2. Two of her Sons died. One at Anzio and his body was never recovered. The other at Normandy on D-Day. In the “Great Patriotic War” or what the Russians call WW2. She cooked meals from scratch, was one of the finest human beings it has been my honor to know. I bawled like a baby the day she died. She is revered by generations of her children, Grandchildren, and Great Grandchildren.
She was tough as nails. Sweet, kind, Domestic, understood Men how to make em happy. She made her Grandsons feel special. Her Grand Daughters several of them are Feminazi Bitches. Who told me men are “Wild and Violent Sexual Animals”. My own Sister.
Yes Feminism has ruined US Women. Most are unfit for Wives or unfit to breed. Many of our Men younger than 50 have never known Women like my Grandmother. Their loss, and my loss.
February 1, 2007 at 6:20 pm
What bothers me the most is the utter lack of respect you have for the Russion and other foreign women. You talk about them as if they’re commidities…like you are going overseas to buy a coat that we don’t make here in America.
Mongoose
February 1, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Mongoose..
If you feel that way then you have TOTALLY missed the motivation behind this blog.
Now do you really think that I would put the massive amount of personal time and energy into this site if I was trying to promote these women as commodities “to buy like a coat overseas”?
No sorry mongoose..
Commodities are not inspiring to me.. and I would never waste my time writing about a commodity.
What is inspiring to me are these incredible and real women.
And that is TOTALLY worth writing about..
GL
February 1, 2007 at 6:42 pm
One of your bloggers actually referred to his Russion girlfriend as a commodity and that he was going to put on his UPS outfit to go pick her up–like a package. I am only commenting on what I read here. I have only known one young Russion woman when I lived in Chicago,and she was exotically beautiful like the women on your site. She married a fellow Russion emegre'(sp)? and is very happy.
Mongoose
February 1, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Yikes!!! Russian I meant–so much for being the sixth grade spelling champ!
February 1, 2007 at 6:51 pm
to Mongoose,
Some men go to church to find nice lady, some men go to school to find nice girl, some men go to clubs to find nice lady, some men go to work to find nice wife, some men find nice women in the same apartment complex. Still others go to the street corner to pay for one.
some men go to matchdotcom to find nice women.
personnally, I am looking for a woman with old fashion family values, who likes to share love, family, work and play. From what I have discovered the women of Russia are like this and more, they are educated, they are modest, they have self respect and respect for others.
Don’t get me wrong, I love American women (I am American). But both men and women in America have become apathetic, complacent and cynical…and I’m not gonna blame this on the government like others might do.
Another thought maybe not related…
I think its sad that kids today don’t know their grandparents, and worse grandparents don’t know their grandchildren, how can they, there’s to many severed family tree branches!!
Russian families, from what I understand, still come from small villages and still have bonds with their generations.
Perhaps RW will correct me if I’m wrong.
I guess I’m looking for a Mayberry family, and I believe an old fashion Russian woman, will provide that, and I to her.
ok, i’ll get off the soap box.
February 1, 2007 at 6:52 pm
There are nearly 3000 comments on this blog as of today. The comment you are referring to was a parody of the anti-Russian Women Feminist who like to spread the vile label of “Mail Order Bride” around in an attempt to slander these women and scare quality Men away.
If you follow the thread more carefully you will see this and understand that there is nearly unanimous support, respect and adoration for these women. GL
February 1, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Sounds pretty good an accurate to me Ceiver.. Hopefully someday soon you will find this out for yourself. GL
February 1, 2007 at 7:32 pm
I read a few of the rants on another web-site americanwomensuck.com, and they all have their shopping lists–I want a Filipina–no I want a tall Russian, I love Latinas etc…. And they all think that a 40 year old AM with a comb-over is going to find love with a 20 year old foreign hottie. Please leave these girls alone and stop tempting them with American money, so they can find Real, Young Love with their own country-men. We have a mess here–work with your own country women to fix it!!
Mongoose
February 1, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Mongoose..
Again.. This is why I created this blog.. to counter the commodity based attitudes that are out there.
As far as you implying that we shouldn’t go outside our national borders to find love. I’d like to ask you what year are you living in? Last time I checked it was 2007 and we live in a global, interconnected world. The countries that try to isolate themselves are decaying and dying. The countries that integrate grow.
It’s the same thing for any group of people.
When was the last time you checked the birthrate projections in Russia?
And by the way 40 year old man with a 20 something wife is much more common then you think.. So don’t try to lampoon something that actually happens all the time. GL
February 1, 2007 at 8:25 pm
You did not address my issue–Real young love with their own country-men–not settling for a man old enough to be her father because he has money.
Also Americans working together to solve our problems here.
Thank God for IMBRA!
February 1, 2007 at 8:46 pm
And you Mongoose aren’t lucid enough to comprehend the reason behind these Older Men and Younger Women unions..
On the contrary to your gross generalizations and obvious expressions of insecurity with emotional arguments.
American’s are working together to solve problems. We and other Western Men are banding together to build stable families with the most qualified women in the world to do this with.
And for any woman that wants to be a mother that means she has to do this the majority of the time in her 20’s and for many Men in their 30’s and 40’s who also want kids and are ready to be father’s.. then this is the logical and reasonable way to go. And if both sides are serious about their intents then love grows whether you try to throw bombs or not Mongoose..
You might as well cry about a rainy day because your crying won’t have any effect on stopping it.
By the way Mongoose.. are you some Angry Feminist? or some Mangina lurking around here for some strange purpose?
February 1, 2007 at 8:56 pm
I am not insecure at all. I am merely trying to raise some interesting and provocative issues. I have never seen an older man/much younger woman marriage work out. My own brother is a case in point. America has two genders–male and female and we need to work together not with foriegners to heal our country. Mangina? I’ll have mine with a glass of chianti, thank you!
Mongoose
February 1, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Mongoose: “Thank God for IMBRA!”
Mongoose: “I am not insecure at all.”
Considering that IMBRA is a classic isolationist and protectionist piece of legislation I find your comments amusing..
Also If “you’ve never seen an older/man much younger woman marriage work out” well I hardly doubt you can speak for the rest of us who are in very happy and LOVING relationships like this and who have seen many of them “working out” first hand.
And just in case you are truly ready to put your money where your bias is..
I challenge you to come to Russia and I will show you many of these relationships..
If your not willing to come.. then just admit your insecurity about your status as a “Equality-minded” Feminist (aka Socialist) and go to another blog where your “sisters” can support/console you more then what you will find here.. GL
February 1, 2007 at 9:15 pm
There’s something sly in there about marrying first cousins.
We ain’t in them back hills not more!
February 1, 2007 at 9:27 pm
RW – many men here have told their personal histories, and I find these stories very interesting. I am wondering what your story is? You recommend Russian women so highly (and they seem wonderful from your tales!) – are you in a relationship with a Russian woman? Did you find one much younger than yourself?
February 1, 2007 at 9:43 pm
Mongoose- Did you know that “Hasty Generalizations”, using the “Well I saw it so this is how it happens!” evidence is a fallacy? Besides, from the sounds of it your brother married an American woman and not a foreigner, so I don’t see how that relates at all.
February 1, 2007 at 9:43 pm
I hate the cold–sorry. And there is too much wrong here in America for me to go hide in another country because things don’t suit me 100% in a land that has given me such a good life. America needs foreward thinking people like me now more than ever. Just think–soon we may be hearing the phrase, “Madame President”
Mongoose
February 1, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Hi Misha,
I’ve made a conscious effort to not focus on me because this Blog is really not about me..
It’s about something that truly inspires me and a whole lot of other Men too.
But needless to say I’ll just answer “Yes” to your question and say that WE are BOTH extremely happy on top of that.
And it’s real love and respect based on “equality”.. (sorry had to slip that in for the benefit of Mongoose here) 😉
GL
February 1, 2007 at 9:55 pm
Mongoose: And there is too much wrong here in America for me to go hide in another country because things don’t suit me 100% in a land that has given me such a good life.
GL: I agree.. That’s why we Men want to bring in some of the best women on the planet from this part of the world to start Real Families with.. 🙂
Mongoose: America needs foreward thinking people like me now more than ever.
GL: Love the “modesty”.. It usually comes with an equal serving of one part arrogance and one part ignorance by the way.
Mongoose: Just think–soon we may be hearing the phrase, “Madame President”
GL: I actually believe you here.. President Rice has a nice complimentary along with Madame President!!
February 1, 2007 at 10:03 pm
My lady came here for a better life, her sister and parents came also, for the American dream. (her parents have since gone home to eastern Europe for family and lifelong friends which are also important for a better life).
“Madame President” sounds good for the right and the best person for the job.
February 1, 2007 at 10:19 pm
What makes you all think that I was born here? I am from Sicily and came here as a young child–five years old.
Mongoose
February 1, 2007 at 10:38 pm
I think I would like to explore Sicilty. A lot of good people come from there.
February 1, 2007 at 10:39 pm
please excuse my spelling
February 1, 2007 at 10:41 pm
I was just there in October to visit relatives–I went with my brother and we had a wonderful time. The seafood is out of this world.
Goose
February 2, 2007 at 2:01 am
“Mongoose- Did you know that ‘Hasty Generalizations’, using the ‘Well I saw it so this is how it happens!” evidence is a fallacy?’ (Kara)
Yes, mongoose, what was the sample size in the study you conducted of older men and younger women?
February 2, 2007 at 5:13 am
Mongoose: we need to work together not with foriegners to heal our country.
Mongoose: I am from Sicily and came here as a young child–five years old.
GL: Can you say “Typical Feminist Hypocrite”?
February 2, 2007 at 2:46 pm
“Typical Feminist Hypocrite” My Grandfather was an American citizen. Typical half-cocked neanderthal ready to generalize and lump us all together.
February 2, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Hey Comrades, why can’t we peruse Sir GL’s courtesy of writing on different topics, to arrange discussions thread-wise? Let’s discuss age in the age column…
Natalia said and instantly violated her appeal with a couple of cents “past the cash-box” (off-topic):
– Russian women grow amidst the Deficite of Fatherhood. They miss the sense of good-faith patronage in their lives; on the other hand, they can’t find mature father material among young men who want to take their bachelor time.
– I wonder what are your 40-ers doing with themselves to get written off?!! 8-0
February 2, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Another common trend is that, marrying a young man, you are going to become a “first wife”; marrying an older man, you have more chance to be a “wife for life”.
February 2, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Wife for life? Sure for his life. Then he drops dead and there you are in your 50’s and all alone, after taking care of an old man all your adult life. When young girls dream of their prince, he is usually young and fresh and virile, not old enough to be their dads.
Mongoose
February 2, 2007 at 10:32 pm
Mongoose Profile..
HYPOCRITE and LIAR
Mongoose Accusation
“You guys need to see people as individuals–not cliches.”
(your) “Constant generalizations which don’t mean a thing–you are winning nothing, and just making a fool of yourself.”
“I am in no way vitriolic. All of my posts have been polite.”
Mongoose Quotes
(us men are) “Typical half-cocked neanderthal ready to generalize and lump us all together.”
“What bothers me the most is the utter lack of respect you have for the Russion and other foreign women. You talk about them as if they’re commidities…like you are going overseas to buy a coat that we don’t make here in America.”
“And they all think that a 40 year old AM with a comb-over is going to find love with a 20 year old foreign hottie. Please leave these girls alone and stop tempting them with American money, so they can find Real, Young Love with their own country-men. We have a mess here–work with your own country women to fix it!!”
Mongoose Accusation
“America has two genders–male and female and we need to work together not with foriegners to heal our country.”
Mongoose Quote
“I am from Sicily and came here as a young child–five years old.”
ARROGANT & EGOTISTICAL
Mongoose Quotes
“Mangina? I’ll have mine with a glass of chianti, thank you!”
“America needs foreward thinking people like me now more than ever.”
“Mongoose is a brand of bicycle, which is where I got the nick since I ride one. The the animal is a quick and brave assassin of snakes.”
IGNORANT
Mongoose Quote
“Read the novel, “Vanished”, by Tess Gerrittson. This tells the story of a lot of young Russian women who come here hoping to get jobs and find themselves in a hell of slavery.”
Siberianow Quote
“Mongoose, this is a fictional work, not a real account of a real event.”
DENIAL
Mongoose Quote
“WOW!! You don’t know me at all and yet you feel you have the right to judge me and assume all kinds of foolishness about me that just isn’t true.”
“Your arguments are all specious.”
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Hi Mongoose..
Care to continue this game?
Be MORE then happy to add to your profile here..
and I’m sure the others here can join in as well since I’ve only spent a few minutes looking at your previous quotes..
GL
February 2, 2007 at 10:33 pm
“When young girls dream of their prince, he is usually young and fresh and virile, not old enough to be their dads.”
Please don’t make assumptions like that, I would happily date a man 10-20 and perhaps even 30 years older if he was a good man. Who are these women you are talking about? Are they 20 year old American women more concerned with their husbands looks more than his heart?
February 2, 2007 at 10:46 pm
More insults and you have taken all of these quotes out of context. Why don’t you address the meat of my previous post with some strong solid srguments instead? Naw!! Easier to pretend you are winning with yur insults than to actually admit there may be some flaws in your reasoning.
Mongoose
February 2, 2007 at 11:39 pm
Hmm..
Should I file that under DENIAL again..
Or maybe it would be more appropriate to file that under a new category called..
DEFENSIVENESS & SPIN
What do you guys think? 🙂
February 2, 2007 at 11:56 pm
It’s pretty clear that she needs a cranial-rectal extraction STAT!
February 3, 2007 at 12:04 am
Some species of mongoose can be easily domesticated, are fairly intelligent, and can be taught simple tricks, so they are often kept as pets to protect the home from vermin. However, they can be more destructive than desired; when imported into the West Indies for the purpose of killing rats, they destroyed most of the small, ground-based fauna. For this reason, it is illegal to import most species of mongooses into the United States [someone was asleep at the switch in this case]. Mongooses are sometimes referred to as “the most dangerous animals on the planet” for this reason. [well, that may be overstating the case a bit]
– Wikipedia
February 3, 2007 at 12:23 am
Craig,
I’m almost starting to feel sorry for the poor furry little vermin with the way you are running lab experiments on her..
Naaaawww..
A good friend of mine once said that Women will always tell you who they are and what their main issues are if you listen very carefully..
Looks like our self-proclaimed mongoose has certainly done that from the very start now that we see your Wikipedia reference.. 🙂
Cool stuff man..
February 3, 2007 at 1:48 am
Yeah, this is a particularly vicious little pest, who destroys everything in its path with a singleminded purpose, and won’t stop until it’s laid waste to everything around it.
What? I was talking about the furry animal. What did you think I was talking about? 🙂
I’m almost nostalgic for Aussie Kim. I bet the wiki has an article on marsupials…
February 3, 2007 at 3:15 am
Weasel is the word I would use to describe this Mongoose. The internet’s infested with them.
Taras
February 3, 2007 at 9:29 am
What a pity it is when people – men and women -start growing hearts after having missed their looks. Or, even sorrier, do not.))
Wrap us 2 in 1, please 😉
February 3, 2007 at 11:01 am
I hate to sound simple about Aussie Kim and Mongoose, but they really just sound like two women who are alone (unmarried) and not getting their way. If these women put half the energy in to being good women and looking decent that they put towards trolling and vitriol they would be on top of the world.
This is something I have a hard time understanding…men will do ANYTHING for a woman if they are a good and decent looking woman. Women have ultimate power over men if they play by these rules. If a woman decides to compete, get fat, or carry on with an attitude..they lose ALL of their power towards men. All women really have to do is be feminine to rule their world, but many are too lazy for that. Amazing!
I also love how many women like to think of this issue in complicated terms..it is not, this is a very simple issue. Blaming men will get you nowhere. Men approach the woman and ask her out. If you are not worth approaching you will NEVER get asked out. So, it is upon the woman to be attractive for this cycle to ever start. I can understand that intellectually this can be an unpleasant concept for women who are on the lesser end of attraction, in fact I believe most all feminism and anti-male ranting is to be attributed to them.
Feminism is the screaming hollow rage of the fatties. Their lives are over, but they won’t go without a rant/fight. Fair enough. Just to think though..all they have to do is stop eating so much and stop acting like bitches and the world is theirs!
This mostly applies to the American women I want to love so badly. There’s just a large bag of Dorito’s between us. 🙂
February 3, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Interesting… One striking thing about observing Russian / Ukrainian reality has been – “why are the hottiest so demonstratively pricky about menfolk, both in girls’ talks and into guys’ face”? The explanations that occurred –
1) because they can afford it, with all attention that they get,
2) because men love the hunting challenge (too often to the detriment to “quiet and complaisant” partners), and
3) because it’s not always comfortable to be hunted ))
February 3, 2007 at 2:42 pm
…It’s clear that over-eating is a symptom of mental worries. But, strangely enough, women considered “plump”, “stout”, “curvy” and “fat” by OUR standards, emit more calmness and joviality then sharp-edged “models” married to their calories calculator!
(adding one more post to my to-do list,
Comrade N.)
February 3, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Hi Arthur,
That’s some great insight and I totally agree.
Basically it goes back to women believing only in “Visible Power” as opposed to “Invisible Power” as I’ve written about previously.
But an even more simpler way to put it would be to say..
Hello EGO
Feminist like Mongoose and Aussie Kim can’t handle bruised ego’s.
They fight dirty but when you show them the crap that’s covering them they blame you and run..
Like I said so typical.. and so old..
The key thing here is for men to stand up to garbage like this like we’ve demonstrated here more then a few times..
At some point they realized.. oops I look like a complete idiot and I’d better throw out one last smoke bomb and run like hell as it goes off.
The funny thing in all of this is realizing that all they had to do to settle things was to simply admit their mistakes and give a quick and sincere apology for it.
But of course that would never happen so you need to take them to the mat like we’ve done here one round at a time.
But hey I believe more guys need to appreciate and enjoy this type of activity..
To me it’s no different from a form of intellectual Aikido..
Use the oppositions force against them..
And in the case of Feminist issuing attacks this is about as prefect of a strategy if there ever was one..
Cheers.. GL
February 3, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Nothing like all this interference from the feminists and the manginas to deter from a perfectly good GL post.
GL: Maybe we can send all the feminist/mangina posts to a special sub(human) folder so as not to interefere from the intelligent comments made by the esteemed members. That way, we can all reply to these miscreants at our leisure or just totally ignore them.
February 4, 2007 at 8:21 am
I don’t know, kzarz, don’t you think they provide the perfect exhibit A? And B, C, D…
As defense witnesses, they are a prosecutor’s dream! The defense team is sitting at their table with their heads in their hands!
February 4, 2007 at 10:25 am
Kzarz,
No subfolder capacity that I’m aware of and besides I’d have to agree with Craig.
These women are doing us and whole lot of other men a big favor.
They do have an useful purpose even if it is just to stand in front of a train and get knocked down in the process like Mongoose and Aussie Kim.
At the very least we have a whole bunch of other readers who are learning from this.
GL
February 4, 2007 at 8:39 pm
I love Arthur’s comment. It’s so true.
Most people can’t see the real simplicity of most things through the cloud of perceived complexity.
February 5, 2007 at 2:30 pm
“I don’t know, kzarz, don’t you think they provide the perfect exhibit A? And B, C, D…
As defense witnesses, they are a prosecutor’s dream! The defense team is sitting at their table with their heads in their hands!”
So true.
February 5, 2007 at 3:04 pm
“The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type or create a particular chosen text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.”
-en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
Hero, you’re much too generous!
February 5, 2007 at 8:21 pm
I have a cousin who is a very prominent oncologist. She is married to a Doctor as well. Would humanity be better served if she gave up her career and stayed home, or should she keep looking for a cure for cancer?
Mongoose
February 5, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Mongoose! We missed you!!
Maybe she should go into pest control.
February 5, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Shucks!!! It was only two days! But please–answer my question.
Mongoose
February 5, 2007 at 9:11 pm
I’m really honored that you think enough of me to put your cousin’s entire future in my hands! Has she been made aware that my decision is binding? I’m gonna need to see that notorized. You know how the boys in legal are…
February 5, 2007 at 9:34 pm
That still doesn’t answer my question.
February 5, 2007 at 9:42 pm
But questions are so much more interesting than answers.
For instance, here’s another question: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: THAT’S NOT FUNNY!!!
February 5, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Let me try again. Should my doctor cousin stay home and claen her house–or in your opinion should she use her brains and education to find a cure? I really want to hear a straight answer to this. If not from you maybe somebody else on this board.
Mongoose
February 5, 2007 at 10:06 pm
Heyyyyyyy, waaaaaait a minute ……. is this a trick question? Damn this neanderthal brain. When am I going to evolve already?
February 5, 2007 at 10:12 pm
Mongoose –
Allow me to translate Craig’s response: If I say your cousin should continue to work, I’ll be contradicting my anti-feminist beliefs; if I say your cousin should stay home, I’ll look like an ass. Therefore, I will mock you and avoid serious engagement of your question.
What Craig fails to realize is that, in taking this approach, he still looks like an ass.
February 5, 2007 at 10:26 pm
It’s not a trick question, but a sincere one Craig.
Mongoose (Marie)
February 5, 2007 at 10:26 pm
It’s not a trick question, but a sincere one Craig.
Mongoose (Marie)
February 5, 2007 at 10:26 pm
Mongoose-does your cousin have kids? If so, who’s raising them while your cousin is working 12-hour days?
February 5, 2007 at 10:37 pm
Her children are grown.
February 5, 2007 at 10:39 pm
Mongoose, unfortunately they are almost there already! I hope you can help her find a new job
February 5, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Really? Then why are thousands of people dying of it every year? Including very small children, who seem to get a lot of bone cancer and leukemia.
February 5, 2007 at 10:52 pm
Same stuff–different day. I am dissapointed, but not at all suprised.
M
February 5, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Mongoose: I said they were “almost there”, not completely cured it. They have discovered how the cancer spreads on a cellular level, and by activating certain parts of the cell again, they will self destruct harmlessly! They have also cured type one diabetes in rats, so they hope it translates to humans.
Maybe your wife shouldn’t keep you in the dark 😀
February 5, 2007 at 11:31 pm
I’m a Uniter not a Divider!
February 5, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Mongoose, I believe your cousin should continue working if that is what she chooses. She is totally better at it than I am.
February 5, 2007 at 11:40 pm
“Same stuff–different day.”
And yet, somehow, your dedication to educating the savages is unflagging.
February 5, 2007 at 11:42 pm
I’ll bet she had no time for her kids while they were little, though. Would your cousin even recognize her own children if she saw them?
February 5, 2007 at 11:42 pm
Mongoose, I believe your cousin should continue working if that is what she chooses. I trust her research more than my own in the area of cancer. Sincerely.
February 5, 2007 at 11:42 pm
And K. takes the gloves off! Never saw that coming! 🙂
February 5, 2007 at 11:44 pm
By the way, why is is that so many of the feminazis who post here have to point out that either they or one of their female relatives is a doctor?
February 5, 2007 at 11:45 pm
I meant “why is IT?”
February 5, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Yeah, plus they feel the need to give their whole CV, as if that proves anything.
February 5, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Yeah, why do American women think that the way to get men all excited is to expose their resume?
February 5, 2007 at 11:55 pm
Hero,
What makes you think she wants to “get men all excited”? I read her question as sincere.
February 6, 2007 at 12:03 am
I wasn’t referring to Mongoose specifically, I was referring to American women in general.
February 6, 2007 at 12:03 am
“Yeah, why do American women think that the way to get men all excited is to expose their resume?”
Really. I feel so cheap. So … used.
February 6, 2007 at 12:44 am
American women use their resumes because they usually don’t qualities such as cooking, baking, and general “slave like opressed” traits. Therefor, they think their resume will suffice.
Also, could you two keep the comments all in one? It’s no fun spamming and making RW’s nice post look so messy down here.
February 6, 2007 at 1:25 am
They also use them in an attempt to muster an argument: “Since I differ from what you’re saying in this way, this way, and this way, then everything you say, past, present, and future, is completely invalid.”
Which is about as logic-challenged as citing a novel as evidence of a massive conspiracy.
February 6, 2007 at 6:19 am
Hello Mongoose..
I’d recommend that your cousin start thinking about shifting her focus away from oncology.
Like K says they’ve pretty much nailed that along with identifying the primary chemical switch with how Cancer cells either propagate or self destruct with the latest developments..
Google up “Dichloroacetate” (a.k.a. DCA) for more info.
Now of course since your cousin has probably invested a bunch of time and energy into this there’s a good chance that she won’t be happy and might deny the latest developments.
Even if the FDA continues to collude with Big Pharma & the AMA Trade Union it still won’t make a difference. People with cancer will just go abroad to get access to this stuff or even get it in home made labs across the country if they need to..
The days of centralized control over medicine and making big bucks off of Cancer for example are starting to crumble. Thank god for that.
Amazing what a Free Market can do… And Socialism CANNOT do..
Same principal applies to us Men.
If we are not happy with the women in the US or Western Countries we will just go somewhere else to accomplish our goals. And there’s nothing you can do about this no matter how much you rant against it and try to discredit either us or the incredible women that exist over here.
Now saying that..
Back to your cousin..
She’s past the stage of having kids so she obviously has no conflict of interests to do what she wants.
I’m actually a little surprised that you would use her as an example to promote your feminist agenda. Because if I or anyone else said “No” then you would try to paint us as extremist and tell all your girlfriends about it..
And guys like Craig for example and myself have very good reason to question your integrity and motives when you pose questions here given the less then honest approaches you’ve used in the past to try to force us into your world view.
If you want to continue playing this Liberal “one liner” question game with me then by all means go right ahead. The thousands of other people who read this thread over time will get a good education from it.
But admitedly I’m digressing right now..
Here’s the Deal..
You need to start reading my criticisms of Feminism instead of coming here shooting off your slanted questions.
If you were gracious enough to do this FIRST you would have had your answer.
But in a nutshell here it is.
Feminism lies to you by saying that a Woman can have it all. Horse pucky.. Nobody can have it all. There are always sacrifices and compromises in life.
I fully support the FREEDOM for Women to go out and pursue anything they wish to do including career..
BUT..
That does not mean that they will be qualified to be decent mother’s or wives. It’s simply because they’ve have concentrated their energies on themselves.
So here’s the bottom line..
Women have the freedom to do as they please in life.. so do us Men..
And if a woman wants to concentrate on her career and not on her family then any Man would be foolish to try to start a family with her.
I’m advocating that Men avoid them on a personal relationship level all together.. Plenty of other women in this world who are much more qualified to have solid relationships with.
And I will do my part to expand this option for men with the best information possible and to encourage them to find the best women in the world to build future families with.
There are no free lunches in life..
And you feminists need to understand this..
You have the total right to follow your Feminist/Socialists ideologies all you want.
We men have the right NOT to sleep with women like you..
February 6, 2007 at 7:03 am
Yeah. What he said. I knew you’d get a whuppin’ when Daddy got home.
February 6, 2007 at 7:09 am
“What Craig fails to realize is that, in taking this approach, he still looks like an ass.”
That’s because I am an ass. And I was brought up to be true to myself.
February 6, 2007 at 10:05 am
I think Mongoose’s cousin should attempt to invent the “free lunch”. Feminists need this or their experiment is over! She is probably no good at cooking or sex and has probably lost her looks, so she definitely needs to NOT hang around the house.
The funny thing about the Sicilian girl I know is that she is really hard-headed but her cooking mostly makes up for it with her boyfriend. The lesson here Mongoose is..I hope you can really cook.
😉
February 6, 2007 at 3:23 pm
You have given me way too much attention. A few weeks ago I was researching something else and came across this site. I had ne idea there even was an anti American women movement. Most people I know don’t think in these terms pro or con. we just work and pay our bills and live our lives. If I offended anyone here, I am very sorry, but your point of view is so alien to me that you might as well be on the moon.
Marie
Mongoose
February 6, 2007 at 4:52 pm
“You have given me way too much attention.”
Agreed.
February 6, 2007 at 5:14 pm
“The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.”
– F. Scott Fitzgerald
February 6, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Hey, hey, hey…
It’s ignorance of the broader picture, and ignoring the other part’s feelings, motivations and abilities, that make anyone slap a stamp “Impossible” across the whole spectrum of human roles beyond a single one.
Have to resort to opposite exaggerations, since the pendulum has got too far back.
What would you say to Leonardo DaVinci? “Stick to painting?” Go tell a supermarket to sell books only. Or better… forget your own fishing, football and vacations, to enjoy exploring the dementing influence of monotonous work.
Does a man’s career / business / hobby prevent him from being a good husband and father?
Hope you can switch over, guys! But why can’t we? Hasn’t Dr Brizendine told anything about the female brain’s natural lability?
Or is a man’s career / business / hobby just enough to make him one?
You should have talked with Doc Tamara (the therapist I respect as much as to trust with the psychologic domain of my dear little agency), who’s observing and reclaiming the “back side of the moon”. She’s got much material to tell about the sexual frigidity of full-time housewives, about the neuroses of “gold cage dwellers”, and the abandonment – from adultery to divorce – that these women suffer, as well as their children (able to discern, painfully, between Dad’s gifts and Dad’s attention).
On the other hand, I’ve already mentioned my barrister friend – successful, beautiful, scrupulous in professional and personal relations, and wanted as a woman (even for marriage) – well, no wonder; for OUR women (who haven’t got hitched at college), work environment is the prime field of meeting potential partners; and weak womanliness is a fine disguise for a business shark. Now more on Ira’s story.
She gets the job in 2000, after graduation, at a respectable attorneys’ company. (I’ve been good buddies with its Partners & staff myself, as well as with many politically involved Ukrainian businesspeople due to my own first job, so Ira’s not the only sourse of information on the following facts.)
By 2006, she’s gained a formidable name in legal and political circles (much business press and backroom rumors), and is awarded partnership / co-ownership in the firm. Has survived intrinsic corporate conflicts, resolved many, revamped the firm’s hiring and payment policy, attracted a lot of new clients and employees. All that – at the background of an incessant desire to mother a child… to be the best mother ever, and to work only for the art’s sake. She can afford it.
She and another partner attorney eventually find themselves deeply in love. They have a church wedding, and expect to bring two boys into the world this summer.
She’s her husband’s true friend, battle comrade, hot lover, caring mother, little girl. And if you say it’s no wife, and a wife is a cook… why not just hire a cook, and have no moral obligations to care about her personal world? Oh, too expensive, and lacks other functions? Thanks for clarifying your order, dear customer…
Sincerely,
Comrade Natalia
February 6, 2007 at 5:20 pm
Ah, forgot to mention. She’s only 28.
February 6, 2007 at 5:29 pm
[…] Another immediate example here. […]
February 6, 2007 at 5:42 pm
LOL! Just got to see what has been posted concurrently… Craig, what a crown quotation )))
February 6, 2007 at 6:21 pm
You like that? I got lots of ’em. 🙂
I’ve always remembered the sign my high school English teacher had in her classroom: “Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably why so few people engage in it.”
And it’s humbling to always know that, whatever I’m trying to say, somebody smarter than me has already said it much better.
February 6, 2007 at 7:17 pm
“You have given me way too much attention. A few weeks ago I was researching something else and came across this site. I had ne idea there even was an anti American women movement.”
Yes Mongoose..
Many men are waking up to the fact that their odds for achieving lasting happiness with an American or Western Woman is like stepping up to the craps table with very bad dice in their hands..
You can thank Feminism for that..
Read what type of odds a Man from the US faces if he wants to get married..
http://www.mattweeks.com/strike.htm
Also read Dr. Laura’s sobering assessment of Feminism here..
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/2/5/113701.shtml?s=lh
“Most people I know don’t think in these terms pro or con. we just work and pay our bills and live our lives. If I offended anyone here, I am very sorry, but your point of view is so alien to me that you might as well be on the moon.”
Mongoose I accept your apology..
I think this experience has been a real eye opener for you and I encourage that..
The reason our “point of view” has been so alien to you is because your point of view is officially sanctioned by the mass media which has it’s own backers and motivations for spreading this destruction.
Probably the biggest shock of all is when people like you realize that you (indeed none of us) are NOT immune to heavy propaganda and stereotypes..
And unfortunately yes.. this is very much a part of American and Western cultural fabric…
And it’s killing off Western society with millions of broken marriages and broken hearts at a time..
It turns normally reasonable people into angry rhetoric spewing animals.. watch the opening scenes to the movie “1984” with John Hurt to get an idea as to what I’m talking about..
And as difficult as this whole event has been for you..
It needed to be brought to your attention..
Mongoose here’s the deal..
I personally can’t stop this wave of destruction..
I can only promote a different road to happiness for Men.. And we deserve that happiness in the form of a loving and lasting marriage..
It is my intent to get this message out to as many men as humanly possible.. and if this scares the living hell out of American and Western Women for overplaying their hand and alienating good Men.. then good.. because this wake up call is long overdue for these ladies..
If these ladies are so fed up with Western Men then I challenge them to find “better” Men anywhere else in the world.. Now if that doesn’t sound to appealing when they realize the truth then they had better start appreciating the Men that they have in their own country..
Only women can stop this destruction.. There are growing numbers of women who are understanding what’s going on and realizing that they have to be the one’s to put a stop to this themselves.. this small group of anti-feminist women are completely outnumbered and their cause is in it’s infancy..
Until then I hope you start to hear and see what’s really going on..
Good Luck.. GL
February 6, 2007 at 8:22 pm
I don’t agree with the whole Socialist Conspiracy theory–it is way too far fetched. Equality for women was the natural result of the development of reliable birth-control. Women didn’t have to get married at such a young age anymore and had more options for education and careers. As I said previously, most people are focussed on other things–religious people are focussed on their Faith, sick people are concerned with getting well. Workers are focussed on making money etc….
This whole anti-Western woman thing seems obsessive to me
Good Luck to you too and don’t freeze your knickers off in Siberia
Mongoose
February 6, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Hey mongoose, glad to see you stuck around.
The socialist “conspiracy” is a bit hard to accept, as are all “conspiracys”. However, even if they do not display the facts completely right, they usually have an underlying fear or idea to them. In this case, the results is the change in women’s attitudes.
Women didn’t have to be married at all if they chose that. They did choose it though, along with whether they wanted a job or not. Back in the Victorian ages, both girls and boys could work in coalmines. But why was it mostly boys/men? Because the husbands did not want their women to suffer.
Women have always had the choice, but have desired things other than work 😀
I think the femminist movement is also obsessive to me, how so much money and funding is thrown into womens projects, etc etc. Alot of us aren’t being obsessive, but merely dedicating an hour or two a week to a blog about their thoughts!
K.
February 6, 2007 at 10:39 pm
And Marie, I would add a suggestion.
The next time you encounter an idea that is completely alien to you, and which therefore, by definition, you don’t know anything about yet —
Instead of just jumping in and sounding like a coyote howling at the moon —
Stop. Listen. Read. Think. Think some more. Take a few deep breaths. Get a grip on your emotions.
Then speak. You’ll be amazed at what this simple process does for your chances of being taken seriously.
Good luck to you too.
Craig
February 7, 2007 at 3:38 am
Hi.
Could I please request that you guys help me with Patriot again?
February 7, 2007 at 3:41 am
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Oh this is Luke by the way.
February 7, 2007 at 4:07 am
Guy’s Socialism and Cultural Marxism is less a conspiracy and more of a common street drug that is ready available to people who want to use it to get high and to avoid their own responsibilities in life.
It is simply a set of destructive ideas and political tools that are very tempting to use for various group of people to try to further their agenda and gain more political power at the expense of the family.
Don’t want to work hard in life and want to blame others for your failure and still fill “good” about it?
You poor little girl why don’t you try this it will make you feel better real fast..
You guys get it?
And as with all narcotics.. the addiction sets in real quick and soon the person’s very identity is wrapped around it and there is no escape no matter how much logic, compassion, or reason you try to project towards them.
See the parallels?
February 7, 2007 at 9:19 am
“And it’s humbling to always know that, whatever I’m trying to say, somebody smarter than me has already said it much better.”
Craig, I share this feeling from the bottom of my heart. There are so many books, musical pieces etc. that leave nothing untold. And, nothing new under the Moon at all… why speak or create ))
Still, people keep communicating, and new music appears despite the fact that there are only 7 notes (in the European harmony).
The rehabilitating quotation is: “Whatever is well said by another, is mine” (Seneca) )
Dear GL,
some bug with Dr.Laura’s link? Keeps shutting my IExplorer down before opening.
Re first link, nuptial contracts (my BL theses and Ukrainian talk show featuring ;)) are indeed a solution. And a keen relationship test & mutual learning tool.
And… it takes a “Russian” ex-wife or her neighbor to appreciate no-fault fathers’ strife to keep the family and be with their children.
Sinc., N.
February 7, 2007 at 10:20 am
Hi Natalia,
I use the Firefox browser and it worked just fine.. but here is a copy of the article anyways for you to read..
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Feminism Killed Chivalry
Joan Swirsky
Monday, Feb. 5, 2007
For well over 20 years, Dr. Laura Schlessinger has been advising and infuriating a public that can’t seem to get enough of her. Her fans have catapulted her to the status of revered guru, eagerly imbibing her brew of advice, chastisement, scolding, and also encouragement to change – which she dispenses daily on her hugely popular syndicated radio show and through numerous best-selling books and sold-out lectures.
However, her critics are equally impassioned, excoriating her “right wing” opinions and her devotion to what they consider retro notions of family, motherhood, marriage, and patriotism.
In her latest book, “The Proper Care and Feeding of Marriage,” the 50-year-old Brooklyn native continues to wag a figurative finger at couples, warning them that if they aspire to the ultimate goals of marital peace and happiness, they should not “repair your childhood struggles and dramas by dragging your spouse into a re-enactment of your upbringing.”
But the danger of reliving one’s unresolved past is only one of the themes that permeates the book, which begins with a trouncing condemnation of feminism. Dr. Laura reminds readers that the feminist movement did not originally “focus on equal pay for equal work,” but rather on “how marriage, husbands, men in general, and children in specific were the enemies and oppressors of true womanhood.” The movement, she says, not only promoted man hatred but self-loathing in women “of nurturing breasts, life-producing wombs, and an emotionally sensitive, nurturing spirit.”
The result, she says, has been abortion on demand, “shacking up,” recreational sex, institutionalized day care, and “unwed mothers by choice or irresponsibility intentionally denying a father’s love and guidance to children.” Other societal failures, she adds, include mothers of young children working outside the home, permissive parenting, euthanasia, same-sex “marriages,” and casual multiple divorces and remarriages.
“Chivalry is largely dead,” she proclaims, “and feminism is the murderer.”
Throughout the book, transcripts of calls from listeners to her show, as well as e-mails and letters, illustrate the most haunting and daunting problems of today’s married couples. They range from irritating personal habits to nagging, jealousy to moodiness, fear of abandonment to lack of support, workaholism to uncommunicativeness, and of course those old standbys, sex and money.
Dr. Laura provides answers to these age-old dilemmas and also gleans insight from surveys she has posted on her Web site (www.drlaura.com) that ask such probing questions as: What do you most admire-least admire about women/men in general?; What do you fear most in a relationship?; What is your single most important expectation of a wife/husband?; What do you think is the single most important thing a modern man/woman doesn’t get about being a man/woman?
What the surveys reveal are that men overwhelmingly want and need attention, love, compassion, sex, and moral support, and that women want and need strength, confidence, honesty and, yes, chivalry! “Women are no longer programmed to admire and respect what is masculine and manly,” Dr. Laura writes, “[but] it is stunning how `retro’ their answers are … because what is hard-wired into feminine and masculine DNA and hearts [is] a yearning for the completion of their beings; the interdependence of masculine and feminine.”
One conclusion, among many, that Dr. Laura reaches is that, “women … behave proportionally more destructively and insensitively in relationships and marriages than have men, and men are less and less behaving like men.” Such conclusions have led many of Dr. Laura’s critics over the years to accuse her of being anti-woman!
No doubt she would disagree, although in her book she hedges her bets with statements like this: “I don’t see men as perfect. If that were so, I wouldn’t be having daily on-air arguments with some damsel about her ridiculous choice of a scummy, alcoholic, druggie, irresponsible, philandering, violent, self-centered momma’s boy.
“But … I think when the damsel picks your basic nice guy she is generally handicapped in realizing the power she has to turn him from a toad into a prince at a moment’s notice with a kiss and a loving compliment. Most women … see and treat their men like an accessory in their marriage instead of God’s contribution to their happiness.”
In addition to her years of fielding phone calls, the surveys she has taken, her previously successful books (nine of advice and four for children), and her pre-fame role as a marriage and family therapist, Dr. Laura clearly uses her own life experience to formulate her conclusions. These include the controversies that have dogged her persistently and given rise to accusations of hypocrisy for her disapproval of situational ethics and moral relativism.
However, she has apparently followed her own advice, which her new book synopsizes in a chapter called “The Gift of the Magi.” Her recommendations urge both spouses to be understanding and compassionate, have perspective, focus on each other, feel and express and show gratitude, own up to one’s own failures and hurtful behaviors, acknowledge all that is positive, follow Vito Corleone’s directive to make one’s spouse “an offer they can’t refuse,” and most of all to “give, give, give.”
She also has followed her own advice by becoming “one” with her longtime husband, as well as an understanding and loving mother to her 22-year-old son Deryk, who now serves in the U.S. Army.
Throughout her book, Dr. Laura combines concrete, no-nonsense advice with her trademark wit (“marriage is not advanced dating”) to reinforce the three bedrock strategies for a loving marriage: personal accountability, willingness to change, and most of all, thinking “in we terms more often than me terms.”
February 7, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Thank you, GL!
The title of the article alone is enough to swear that American-type feminism “no pasaran” with Russian women. )
And the essense shows how “ground-breaking” overseas is what has been common knowledge or “default settings of comfort zone” to us – love, attention, nurturing, fidelity, improvement, – that can survive any freedoms, and provide relaxing safety cushions against the thorns and punches of the “outworld”.
One of my first-ever blogging observations was that “Russian” women learn best traits from both sexes, and Western “wymyn” can’t feel at home with any part of the humanity…
In a “woman-friendly” environment Russian women’s characters can but flourish – given safety from the social conditions, and grateful justification from Men!
Sincerely,
Comrade N.
February 7, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Natalia – in order for a woman to be worth caring for she needs to be capable of standard human skills. It is important to realize that many American women cannot cook, won’t clean, and are selfish little children in disguise. In fact, they BRAG about these things.
On the other hand ..I know how to cook well, I can/do clean, construct/maintain houses and cars. I am a historian, engineer, pilot, ex-Infantryman. I take pride in these manly abilities. I expect a woman to take pride in her womanly abilities, otherwise it would not be fair to me.
Don’t think I am callous and don’t view all people as human beings with a heart. I do. I am merely involved in the very selfish desire to insure that I find the best woman possible for my future children. This is not an abstract philosophical discussion like it sounds like you are having with yourself most of the time, this is my reality.
I frankly don’t think you realize how terrible American women are at being good mothers and good companions.
Simply put.. American men are of the best on earth and American women are of the worst.
🙂
February 7, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Chivalry is alive and well at least here. a man gave me his seat on the bus today and men always open the door for women here etc….They always get a big smile and a thank you–you must all be living in the wrong state.
Marie
February 7, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Marie,
You see what you want to see. We see reality. You have yours and we have what is true. There are far too many books, comments, public and famous figures speaking out against the horrors of feminism. All you have to do is read and think before you speak. I don’t think anyone takes your comments seriously because you are living in a world of your choosing. Once reality sets in, then you’ll see, feel and know what we are about. If reality never comes, then you are either lucky or on LSD.
February 7, 2007 at 3:19 pm
I live in the everyday,go to work go to church world–not in a computer with people who all think the same way I do
February 7, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Hmmm… this is the second time you’ve mentioned that you go to church. Do you think that makes you better than everyone else? Some of the most despicable people I’ve ever met were regular church-goers. They think that religion is a substitute for morality.
February 7, 2007 at 3:38 pm
Arthur, I may have been generalizing experiences and audiences, perusing historical backgrounds and verbal reasoning too heavily, but this all is drawn from the breathing reality of life as well 😉
Would post a link here as soon as I put down more individual examples… (didn’t want to compose it all of the women’s-magazine-style stories “Anna S., ..y.o., …”)
and hope there’d be a sufficient reserve of best-on-earth men for best-on-earth women. )
Believe me, the latter’s versatile “resume skills” would pay the kids immense service. It is example + admiration that children learn through…
And these skills won’t necessarily exclude culinary qualifications and capability of self-maintenance routine, as your own example proves. 😉
February 7, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Hey Marie!
Here in canada that behaviour is the norm. We don’t do it out of chivalry or out of respect to women, we do it out of general respect. Men will hold open doors for other men, girls for men, girls for girls, etc.
That does not really equate to a man who will buy flowers for the date, hold open the door for you and usher you in, take your coat, seat you, walk you to your door, etc.
Respect and Chivalry are two different things!
Also, I live in the real world too you know! I go to school, I go to friend’s houses, I’m going apartment and job hunting, and I’ll be working out soon enough. That doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy and “delude” myself online, does it?
February 7, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Hero – then why is it deemed appropriate to use Biblical argumentation against feminism, as you can see all over the Web? )
And how can so many Russian men stay seated, in the bus or subway, in front of an old woman standing – leave alone a young woman? There’s even a joke that, in such a situation, “you can discern a man of conscience by his pretending fallen asleep”.
February 7, 2007 at 3:58 pm
oops, sorry for using the “swearword”… let’s speak about church argumentation over M/W relationships.
February 7, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Charles Collins of Vatican Radio is an American leftist who probably does not even believe in God…yet he is running operations for the English Service and just let off a major anti-male broadcast called “Mail Order Nightmares” where only the Tahirih Justice Center and Senator Backstabbing Brownback were allowed to speak. Men and the owners of dating sites were not given a voice.
Check out Online Dating Rights dot com for more of the nonsense.
February 7, 2007 at 4:44 pm
I never said that religion itself was bad, I’m just saying that it’s not nearly enough to live a righteous life.
I’ve known people who will pray for a lonely old widow down the street, but won’t bother to go visit her.
The Bible is the word of God and it has plenty of arguments against feminism, e.g. the story of Sampson and Delailah, or the story of Joseph and Potiphar’s wife, or the story of Eve believing the serpent, etc. etc.
February 7, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Let me clarify the first sentence above: You need more than religion to be considered righteous.
February 7, 2007 at 5:48 pm
It’s interesting that people who express anti-feminist views are often immediately labelled as being “right-wing church-goers” which is usually completely wrong. But allow me also not to stereotype!
February 7, 2007 at 7:50 pm
After looking at some of the pictures, I must say that these ladies look fabulous–Mongoose has gotten some good hair and make-up tips from this site.
Marie
February 7, 2007 at 7:58 pm
And the menfolk throw their hats in the air! 😀
(Apologies to Natalia..)
February 8, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Here is one eye-opening story of what I promised to tell about our wonderful have-it-all women I know.
http://russianwomenspeak.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/big-heart-small-ukrainian-woman-exemplar-mother-wife-businesswoman-and-more/
February 22, 2007 at 8:49 pm
I was telling a Russian friend of mine today what it felt like to be on a horse. She had never ridden, and asked what it felt like. To me it was a wierd question for a minute.
I thought about it. I was so young when I irst started riding that I can hardly even remember my first ride. Maybe I was taking that feeling and experience for granted.
So, I tried to tell her about it. When you start, you feel akward, like a sack of pototoes. Gradually you and the horse get used to each other. You learn to move together, think together, act together. And one day it becomes magical. Man and beast have become one. The horse know what you want him to do and does it before you ask. It becomes like you are no longer riding on the ground, you are just skimming the surface floating on. You are hearding cattle, and the horse sees something happening that you don’t and tells you. It watches your back, tells you when something is wrong, is willing to take care of you when you bang yourself up.
Then I thought, can this magical feeling be there with a woman? Not just very once in a long while, but just about every time you’re with each other. I know it would be impossible to have that 100% of the time, but I’d like to have it more that 1% if you know what I mean. Even with the horse, there are days where he doesn’t want to see you, and you dan’t really want to see him. ou give him his food, nd let hime be. Tomorrow he’s glad to see you. When he hears you come outside, he calls for you as if to greet you. He can tell if it’s you too. My mom, dad, and sis coudl go in and out all day, and he wouldn’t do anything, but when I went out, he greeted me. He couldn’t see the door either to see me. He just knew. The feeling you get from that can only be described as pure magic and joy.
March 14, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Wow. Aussie Kim doesn’t understand that we don’t buy into Feminazi
proselytism–no converts here sweetie. lol. Go away. We don’t want you EITHER.
I’m an experienced Canadian guy. Let’s see… feminist… Yeah, o.k. …
a cigar-smoking, combat shoes wearing, make-up and and art of feminity allergic,
underarm hair hangout, genital hair all the way down to your army boots
proud, fashion-less sense flaunting, hardass deportment in-your-face defiant,
automatically genetically predisposed to abhor him as a real man, but buy me a
house anyway and give me however many kids I tell you to(artificial insemination)
then get lost but not before MY courts ass-rape you because you’re pond scum
and I promise to tell your kids about it-FOREVER (hopefully both your daughters
will become child-adopting lesbian loving Feminazi wife wives and I will openly
encourage them in this Feminazi Utopia, so don’t expect them to ever want to see
your real man’s face or character–EVER), fatter by the television 10 hour daily
minimum watching Hagen Daas eating sex toy commercial break carnal whoring
releasing laww dee daw day–subsidized by your stupid job paying alimony, in
the streets International Feminazi’s Day hags on Parade marching, S&M barking
on command(only on command or he loses his other testicle)boy on a dog leash
fetish adherent, equal opportunity not equal talent politico fomenting, John
Bobbitt burn him in his bed misanthropically therapeutically(therapist–or is
it therapissed?) rage resolution civil law innovative precedent setting,
historically male-oriented jobs seeking(before divorce only), lifestyle of the
Bitch and Heinous entrenched woman-double u, oh, em, eh, en–femibitchnazi.
Give me five sista! And pass that last slice of Sarra Leee.
But don’t get me wrong. I’m always open to reconciliation. So, let’s kiss
and makeup (yes, I know, I lived with you already so kiss and makeout is
always out of the question.) … No, no, sweetie, not your ass. It’s too
disgusting. Your lips. You know, where your grandmother used to put lipstick
before you stole her last tube and forbade her to ever use it again.
No, no. That’s o.k. I have a thing about women in mustaches. Perhaps we can
begin with a simple man’s handshake.
And if you refuse to see the truth in my allegory; then,
Is it overall easier, more convenient, less expensive, less time-consuming,
faster in all sequence, more close in distance, more linguistically and
culturally convenient to simply choose from the local Feminazi pool of men
without penis’s, than it is to seek a real girl all the way over there?
So, if it’s much more difficult for us to seek a real girl with so many walls
in front of us; then why oh why do we do it, when the likes of you is our
ready alternate?
BECAUSE WE DON’T LIKE BEING FREAKIN HATED ALL OF OUR LIVES SIMPLY FOR BEING
NORMAL, HETEROSEXUAL FEMALE LOVING REAL MEN!!!!
And I kiss the gods of the Internet and planes, trains and automobiles for
freeing me from this hell on earth you call egalitarian feminazi loving
societies of the West.
I so abhor this place (the West) that I am now selling absolutely everything
I own and when I board that plane, nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing will
ever bring me back–certainly not the likes of you. Especially not the likes
of you.
GOD BLESS RUSSIA. THANK GOD THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST ME FINDING TRUE HAPPINESS
THERE.
March 14, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Wow. Aussie Kim doesn’t understand that we don’t buy into Feminazi
proselytism–no converts here sweetie. lol. Go away. We don’t want you EITHER.
I’m an experienced Canadian guy. Let’s see… feminist… Yeah, o.k. …
a cigar-smoking, combat shoes wearing, make-up and and art of feminity allergic,
underarm hair hangout, genital hair all the way down to your army boots
proud, fashion-less sense flaunting, hardass deportment in-your-face defiant,
automatically genetically predisposed to abhor him as a real man, but buy me a
house anyway and give me however many kids I tell you to(artificial insemination)
then get lost but not before MY courts ass-rape you because you’re pond scum
and I promise to tell your kids about it-FOREVER (hopefully both your daughters
will become child-adopting lesbian loving Feminazi wife wives and I will openly
encourage them in this Feminazi Utopia, so don’t expect them to ever want to see
your real man’s face or character–EVER), fatter by the television 10 hour daily
minimum watching Hagen Daas eating sex toy commercial break carnal whoring
releasing laww dee daw day–subsidized by your stupid job paying alimony, in
the streets International Feminazi’s Day hags on Parade marching, S&M barking
on command(only on command or he loses his other testicle)boy on a dog leash
fetish adherent, equal opportunity not equal talent politico fomenting, John
Bobbitt burn him in his bed misanthropically therapeutically(therapist–or is
it therapissed?) rage resolution civil law innovative precedent setting,
historically male-oriented jobs seeking(before divorce only), lifestyle of the
Bitch and Heinous entrenched woman-double u, oh, em, eh, en–femibitchnazi.
Give me five sista! And pass that last slice of Sarra Leee.
But don’t get me wrong. I’m always open to reconciliation. So, let’s kiss
and makeup (yes, I know, I lived with you already so kiss and makeout is
always out of the question.) … No, no, sweetie, not your ass. It’s too
disgusting. Your lips. You know, where your grandmother used to put lipstick
before you stole her last tube and forbade her to ever use it again.
No, no. That’s o.k. I have a thing about women in mustaches. Perhaps we can
begin with a simple man’s handshake.
And if you refuse to see the truth in my allegory; then,
Is it overall easier, more convenient, less expensive, less time-consuming,
faster in all sequence, more close in distance, more linguistically and
culturally convenient to simply choose from the local Feminazi pool of men
without penis’s, than it is to seek a real girl all the way over there?
So, if it’s much more difficult for us to seek a real girl with so many walls
in front of us; then why oh why do we do it, when the likes of you is our
ready alternate?
BECAUSE WE DON’T LIKE BEING FREAKIN HATED ALL OF OUR LIVES SIMPLY FOR BEING
NORMAL, HETEROSEXUAL FEMALE LOVING REAL MEN!!!!
And I kiss the gods of the Internet and planes, trains and automobiles for
freeing me from this hell on earth you call egalitarian feminazi loving
societies of the West.
I so abhor this place (the West) that I am now selling absolutely everything
I own and when I board that plane, nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing will
ever bring me back–certainly not the likes of you. Especially not the likes
of you.
GOD BLESS RUSSIA. THANK GOD THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST MY FINDING TRUE HAPPINESS
THERE.
March 14, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Amen Brother Canuck.. Amen..
And praise the Lord for your personal testimony of what it’s like to be surrounded by Female Demons in the pits of Hell.
But now you are walking towards the Light Brother!!
😉
March 15, 2007 at 4:06 pm
rw…
You know, a guy lives some, watches others some and reflects some, then has a few volcanic words to say every now and again.
Btw, the kids reference is my brother. I tried to warn him way back. rw, they didn’t get me! Oh happy day, when I’m free, I’m really free! No feminazi kids or monthly diverted income, no past marriages or sheriff’s papers of any kind. Although, I did give it a try a few times. Once a philosopher, twice a fool. Yes, there is a God!
Just for fun and to see the social dynamic difference, I put a post up on a Western date and mate(mambo) site. (And some who don’t know me say I don’t have a sense of humour.) It’s better than a sitcom! I swear! Heh, I don’t watch television or eat Hagen Daas. The responses are really excellent motivation. A “cult of entitlement by the lucky-to-be-beggars”. Oh, please BBW, can I be your barking dog? Can I at least beg for my food? Would you settle for a game of fetch my balls?
One of my sisters defended her daughter’s wish to play hockey way back. Now she is a poster girl for the Feminazi’s and no real man will touch her. My God her attitude could get her seriously dead in the Middle East. Dah!
Interestingly, our national radio media defended the captain of the Canadian women’s Olympic hockey team and followed her on her journey to the Finnish “MEN’S” semi-pro hockey team with unrestrained excitement. Of course it was the boy’s fault that she was a complete flop. No doubt she’s married to another Feminist by now–male or female. Can you believe that some people with “externals” actually label themselves as feminists? And girls wonder where all the real men have gone.
Vladivostok? Is that where all the photos were taken? That’s just a few more meters from St. Peters. Vladivostok? Better check the oil before I go. lol
P.S.: I’ll try to keep my spirits up along the way. Just for fun I ought to invite along a Catholic seminary student and see
how long he lasts without breaking. “Look
into the light, brother John–until you begin to see the error of your ways.”
P.P.S.: In my own way I’ll have my fair share of public pronouncements to make about
both Feminazism and the wisdom of the Russian girl’s mindset. You are definitely not alone–my counter revolutionary smiley, happy transplant friend.
December 6, 2007 at 7:17 am
“Wow. Aussie Kim doesn’t understand that we don’t buy into Feminazi
proselytism–no converts here sweetie. lol. Go away. We don’t want you EITHER.”
Moron. Who can´t read? Check my posts at the start of this thread. they include encouraging people from different countries to marry (ie: the best part of globalisation), being completely happy for women to have kids, stay home, go to work, do whatever they chose, etc, etc.
And by the way, in case it´s any of your business, which it isn´t, but I´ll bother you with too much information – it´s the very least you deserve – I shave my armpits and my legs (it´s my choice), I never wear trousers, not even jeans, I love skirts, my boyfriend and I are still together – nearly 13 years – I´m still cooking for everybody and I´m still not hating men. (Even if they deserve it)
This is an old, old thread, so I doubt anyone will ever read it, but if they do – your paranoia is amazing and your insults and the way you deliver them says way, WAY more about you than it does about anyone else. Your neanderthal ways of ONLY seeing people in light of outdated, primitive stereotypes is quite astonishingly pathetic and one can only hope you can recover somehow.
Militant, hateful feminists are on the way out and good riddance to most of them. The rest of us are NOT them and no matter how much you try to force us into such roles, you will not succeed and the mere act of trying will only make you look at least as stupid as you believe we look.
December 6, 2007 at 8:01 am
Aussie Kim, you should wax instead. Seriously, you’ll never look back.
January 28, 2008 at 9:52 pm
I think there’s some confusion about what feminism actually is here… it’s not about preventing men marrying women from other countries at all… it’s just about putting an end to the exploitation and commodification of women, who might be subject to abuse in the world human trafficking.An american man marrying an eastern european woman because they genuinely love eath other has nothing to do with feminism or anti-feminism!
Feminism is important because it encourages women not to accept their historically submissive, unfilfilling roles. In the nineteenth century there were conduct books published and written by men, supposedly teaching women how to behave. The irony here is that if the ‘natural’ behaviour of women had to be taught to them by men, it is obviously an UNnatural social construct. Secondly, the language of these conducts books reveals teh desire to oppress and control women – the ideal woman’s defining characteristics were all about NOT having, being LESS than a man – innocence (a nice way of saying ignorance in this context), purity (a nice way of saying sexual ignorance in this context), naivety, only speaking when spoken to, etc etc etc
Feminism is relevant and important TODAY because apart from having given us the vote, making steps towards equal pay in the workplace, against sexual harassment etc, it tackles cultural issues such as what’s called the MAle Gaze, whereby everyone (men and women) are condition to see women in every context from the male desiring subjects point of view. We see it all the time in the media, in advertising,films, tv as well as in Men’s Magazines…. we are constantly invited to judge women from appearance/sexual attractiveness alone. Women have internalised this and now feel inadequate if they don’t match up. Female self-esteem is predicated far too much on male desire.
That’s sort of the point of feminism now, not trying to prevent men marrying whover they happen to be in love with!
January 29, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Hi “ThisisObscene”
Feminism is a key powersource behind Cultural Marxism. Anytime you want the government to rush in and force “equality” in the face of a free and open market where people need to face up to their own choices in life.. you are asking for Uncle Marx and Lenin to jump into bed with you while the thought police stand by and watch.
It’s funny but the old die hard communist in Russia are always using a wide range of “injustices” that are at least a hundred years old to justify their intentional destruction of a functioning society and you have just done the same.. only goes to prove what you are trying to disprove.. that Feminism.. just like Marxism is completely irrelevant today.
Marxism failed because it completely denies the reality of how basic human nature and society works. Feminism is also failing because it also denies the basic constructs of sexuality and human behavior that is a part of both men and women’s very DNA.
What is left is a perversion of denial stacked on each other and then ultimately the house of card falls down at the slightest breath of air.
I don’t feel the least bit sorry for women who you say “don’t feel like they match up”.. they can do the same thing all free people can do and go to another location that completely embraces them.
I don’t think any of the women you describe as having self esteem issues would feel that way in certain parts of the world where men out number women 20 to 1. And I’m not inflating this figure either.
No what feminism really is at it’s core is a lazy woman’s way out to not explore other mating options in different parts of the world or as a vehicle for revenge against her more successful female counterparts or towards the men who rejected her that she wishes to spite..
Very simple.. very clear.. and quite sad no matter how you try to spin it with the same tactics and language that Marxist world wide also use to try to stir the masses..
January 29, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Thisisobscene,
I am very glad you’ve found a site like this and hope, since you seem to be someone who reasons, you will find here a way of disentangling some of the social thought-constructs that confuse us all at times.
You write:
“Feminism is relevant and important TODAY because apart from having given us the vote, making steps towards equal pay in the workplace, against sexual harassment etc, it tackles cultural issues such as what’s called the MAle Gaze, whereby everyone (men and women) are condition to see women in every context from the male desiring subjects point of view. We see it all the time in the media, in advertising,films, tv as well as in Men’s Magazines…. we are constantly invited to judge women from appearance/sexual attractiveness alone. Women have internalised this and now feel inadequate if they don’t match up. Female self-esteem is predicated far too much on male desire.
That’s sort of the point of feminism now, not trying to prevent men marrying whover they happen to be in love with!”
I invite you to think much farther back than the Victorian era which has captivated the feminist imagination so completely. Has the admiration a woman has received almost always been in part based upon her beauty, not only her courage, wits, and VIRTUE? It is not a cultural construct that compells a man to gaze at a woman, and it is not a cultural construct that makes a beautiful woman feel good that she is admired for her beauty. It is not unnatural that a plain woman feels less attractive than a beautiful woman, but there is always help for her; “If a woman is not beautiful by the time she is 30, she is lazy” – Coco Chanel.
The Male Gaze is not a new phenomenon, and everyone knows that. It has been around since Adam and Eve.
The current cultural problem I think you are referencing is the commercialization of a woman’s body. The interesting thing is that before feminism became a cultural power, there was no such thing as widespread, socially accepted pornography, no “sex-sells” advertising attitude – although there was a sort of beauty-sells approach. It is my belief that before these things came along, a woman was valued more in society as person. Now she is an advertising commodity and a very profitable sales product – much to her detriment. Now a woman cannot focus on her femininity – her biological, physiological needs and desires – that is routinely depricated in this society while at the same time a promiscuous, harried, materialistic, and aggressive “woman” is constantly hailed as the ideal female.
The idea that a woman can do whatever the hell she wants with her own body has given license to many virtueless and foolish women to prostitute themselves to cameras, creating a widespread image in the male mind that a woman is an object, not a person.
It is the now socially accepted prostitution to cameras and the new female’s love of propagandizing her own image without a thought for her own dignity or the dignity of other women that has created the phenomenon you now call the “Male Gaze.” It has nothing whatever to do with the male gaze, but has everything to do with women with no principles profiting from every man’s weakest point.
How do you propose feminism should combat the “Male Gaze”? Would your approach be to legislate? To somehow penalize a man if he is seen looking at a woman? To penalize beautiful women? Or will feminism’s approach be to take a step back and look at its handiwork and see that the objectification of women comes from a woman’s willingness to prostitute herself, become an image, not a person, and do it all for money? Will feminism realize that this problem is not a political one, but that it is a moral one, and women are largely to blame?
I doubt it. Judging from feminism’s history, it will be the man that will be blamed for his natural attraction to beauty and femininity in any form. Women will not be encouraged to safeguard their modesty and femininity, they will be instructed to become hostile to the “Male Gaze” and by projection, to men. As if they are not hostile enough, and as if the thoughts of a man can never be too public, too legislated.
Obscene? Yes, this society is obscene, and feminism has had a hand in it.
February 3, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Right on, Doamna. What cultural construct made Cleopatra wear mascara?
I’ve been listening to a lot of old time radio on XM lately, and I’m struck by how the women of the 40s and 50s were so much more smart, sharp, confident, proud, outspoken, and yes, sexy than any woman I run across today.
As far as legislating the male gaze, it’s happened already. I read a few years back about a woman in Minneapolis who complained to the city because construction workers were looking at her as she walked by. The city issued a dictum that workers were not to ogle women. One unrepentant guy wrote on his hat “Oogle free zone!”
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