I have a Buddy here named Euvgini who is 30 years old and very popular with the ladies because he’s handsome and comes from a good family. Euvgini always has at least 2 girlfriends at any given time. One of his girlfriends is a sexy and sultry brunette who is 28 years old and works as a banker. His other GF is this beautiful blond and bubbly 18 year old girl who just entered college.
When I asked Euvgini why he was attracted to 2 TOTALLY different girls.. He replied..
Well I like older girls because they’re smart, serious and understand me as a Man..
(And then he broke out into a Sly Grin..)
And I like younger girls because… Well they’re YOUNGER GIRLS!
I guess for most Men.. Truer words have never been spoken..
Now just for reference sake let’s get our local terminology straight before I continue.
- In Russia if you refer to someone as a “Younger Girl” then most everyone understands that you are talking about a girl who is between 18 to 21.
- When you say “Girl” everyone knows this to mean 22 to 29.
- And when you say “Woman” you are referring to a starting age of 30 until the time she is considered an old woman or a “Babushka”.
Now for the majority of Russian men that I’ve known most of them have at one time or another pursued “younger girls”. However when they decide to get serious they mostly settle in or got married to a “Girl”.
Unfortunately for most Russian “Women” the odds of getting married start falling rapidly from this point on and especially if they have children.
For most of these Men the biggest factor that weighs in their selection process is Beauty and Maturity. We already know that these girls have tremendous beauty but what about Maturity?
Well the answer is simple.
For much of Russia’s history both Men and Women were expected to know how to raise families by the time they reached 18 years of age. Mother Nature simply did NOT mess around with these folks and did NOT cut them a break with the time they were allowed to have on Planet Earth. So as you can probably figure out the ability to raise families “Quickly and Properly” became well ingrained traditions.
For example I’ve met quite a few “Younger” Russian Girl who became pregnant from their boyfriends and NONE of them were unhappy or regretful about their situation. Even if they weren’t married and had an uncertain future they were STILL truly happy to bring a baby into the world. Not only were they receiving a deep emotional reward from their natural programming as females.. but they were also getting rewarded from their cultural upbringing as well.
So here’s something to keep in mind when you evaluate a Russian Girl’s maturity level.
Take the age of any Russian Girl and ADD 10 YEARS TO IT in order to determine her overall maturity by US or Western Standards.
Think about it for a second.. It TOTALLY Makes Sense if you look at the math. In the US most women are NOT looking to get married till their late 20’s all the way till their 40’s and beyond. For most Russian Girls getting married at 18 to 21 is generally not desirable because of her university studies but it is still quite common depending on her situation. However, when these girls hit 22 the official starting bell to find a husband REALLY has rung.
Now I can just hear some Feminist saying in the background..
“You don’t have to want to get married and have kids in order to show your Maturity!”
Oh Yeah? Is there a better way to show it? I don’t know about you’re definition but a key part of maturity for a Woman is the ability to SACRIFICE. It just so happens that raising children was always meant to be the ultimate standard for this.
Now saying all of this I still want to mention that (like most of the Russian guys here) I still prefer someone who is a “little older” and well into her 20’s as opposed to a younger girl who is often more likely to play games. But again this TOTALLY DEPENDS on her background.
If a Girl comes from a smaller town or a poorer family she generally has a much higher degree of DESIRE and GRATITUDE for a stable long term relationship because she readily see’s how un-stable life can be. Since there really isn’t a Middle Class in Russia the number of girls who fill this category is quite large.
Now on the other hand young attractive city girls are always more apt to try to win a popularity contest no matter what part of the world they are from. So my recommendation for you guys is to do your best to identify this early on and to generally AVOID them.
As you can see there is no firm black and white rule in knowing if you can successfully have a relationship with a younger girl if that is what you wish for. There are mostly shades of grey. Now the interesting news is that in Russia these shades of grey are MUCH more shifted towards welcoming real relationships between younger Russian Girls and Older Men then anywhere else in the US or Western Countries.
A key factor to determine whether or not you have a green light or not is to know how a girl’s Mother feels about your age. If she has a father then his views are also important but to a much lesser degree. Her mother’s judgement of you will be HUGELY influential and she is going to be keenly interested in how healthy and fit you are as opposed to how much money you have. Or in other words.. Will her daughter still have a husband who is still alive and kicking when she is in her 30’s and 40’s?
Young beautiful girls will ALWAYS create high demand everwhere in the world.
And if you want a young beautiful Russian Girl for yourself be prepared to work for it and to make MANY mistakes along the way.
But I won’t lie to you..
Because if you get a good one then you’ll be one helluva Happy Man.
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August 14, 2006 at 5:20 pm
thanks GL, you are the greatest. Dave
August 16, 2006 at 11:28 am
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October 8, 2006 at 7:10 pm
In the age regards, Russian standards are entirely different.
Younger, attractive, Russian girls prefer mature, attractive men, often 10 – 20 years older. American women within the same demographic would consider you an on-line pedophile.
Ironically, I have found many younger American woman to be equally attacted amd attractive while meeting in person, yet more skiddish, perhaps though not much more different than with men of their own age.
The difference with Russian women is that older men are a cultural expectant that is consistent with their fairy tale versions of prince charming.
Exploit the difference and both of you will be more happy.
October 9, 2006 at 12:26 am
Hello Neil,
Welcome aboard.. And thanks for your thoughtful comments.
Beyond the actual number of age is something that I’ve known is far more important in determining a woman’s attraction to you..
And that is the issue of a Man’s Strength.
I’ve heard a few comments from disenting women that what they really want is a man their own age who is also a good provider and strong..
Well I want to look more like Brad Pitt and have Bill Gate’s wealth too.. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to get it..
Strength in a man is far more important then youth is for any woman. And no matter what these dissenting women say otherwise this is the truth.. And real love on a woman’s part follows a Man’s strength..
I’ve seen some huge age differences over here.. some of them actually 30 years that made no difference to the woman because this is what she chose for herself and that choice was always based on the strength that man carried.
Some people would believe that girls like this are only prostituting themselves. And in various cases I’m sure this is true.. but I have found too many solid relationship examples to firmly know that this is NOT the case for many Older Men and Younger Women unions that I have seen.
The key for an Older man is to not go out and actively look for a girl to be his prostitute.. but to look for a girl for which he can have a real relationship with. The strength of this will depend on the complimentary emotional and experience traits that they can provide for each other.
I believe our modern society has shunned the young fairy tale princess and the older and wiser king scenario out of jealousy more then anything else. When in reality it’s is firmly up to them to decide what they want for themselves.
Thanks again for you joining us.. and please tell your friends..
Cheers GL
December 1, 2006 at 12:44 pm
I am thinking about a russian wife.I want to get married .I want a woman 30-43 yrs. old blond hair .100-128 lbs . who loves kids and wants them also who loves sex.
December 1, 2006 at 3:11 pm
Hi Jim,
PLENTY of ladies here in that category.. Very realistic expectations on your part as well I might add.
Cheers, GL
December 26, 2006 at 8:35 pm
I`m a Russian girl, and i think that if one cannot find an appropriate spouse in their own country – this means nothing but profound personal problems of the “seeker”.
That`s so disgusting – all those foreigners looking for Russian (or somewhere else outside their own countries) wives, just trying to cope with their inferiority complex. Unable to succeed with western women, they are making pitiful attempts to find a “convenient” girl from less economically developed countries.
P.S. I`m not a feminist, just a patriot. Russian men (and my Russian husband in particular) are the best. I`m convinced that all people seeking for their Other Half abroad should first visit a good psychologist in order to solve their inner problems.
December 27, 2006 at 12:52 am
I’m certainly happy to hear that you are happily married to a wonderful man.
However I’m sure that your self-stated sense of “patriotism” and self-proclaimed mental righteousness would be in doubt if you were not married and getting older. If that was ever the case would that mean that you had “psychological problems”?
You Nat are one of the lucky ones as far as Russian Women are concerned.
I would not take that good fortune you have and use it in a snide and ignorant way as to try to accuse many of your Russian sisters who may also be looking for spouses in other countries as being mentally deficient or un-patriotic.
Do these women have an “inferiority complex” because they can’t “succeed” with Russian Men?
So I guess according to your definition Nat.. If you or any other woman in your country is single and alone.. then all of you should remain isolated and lonely till the day you die because it’s the “patriotic” thing to do..
Wow.. that sounds like a really “smart” thing to do Nat..
OK.. if it makes your ego feel better Nat.. then fine you go right ahead and think that.. go ahead and think that any attempt to interact with other cultures on a relationship level is “un-healthy” as opposed to the real truth which is that all people who allow themselves to FREELY CHOOSE their mates from a larger available selection is actually a VERY Liberating and Empowering thing to do.
I just love it when people like you tear into existing ideas and NEVER offer other solutions instead. It just proves that your argument has no real merit or credibility..
But then again.. I’ll try to have an open mind.. if you manage to come up with an alternative plan..
Maybe we can start a MASSIVE CLONING campaign to create more Russian Men now?
Any other ideas Nat?
December 27, 2006 at 2:00 am
All of this “patriotic” argument is really hiliarious and nonsense.
It reminds me of those endless media propaganda telling American people that it’s “patroitic” to buy American products, not foreign products. For instance, media says it’s very “patroitic” to buy Ford or Chevy because they are made in the US. Ford and Chevrolet make cars that are very unreliable, proddy, low quality and very high maintenance. They keep breaking down so much that costs too much. Whereas, Toyota, Lexus, Ferraris, Lamborghini or any of those foreign car makers produce very high quality, durable, very reliable and low maintenance cars that last for years. Which one would I rather to buy? Does it mean that I have “inferiority complex” for not buying American cars at all because I’m an American?
It’s the same concept as for women and men. We men would rather to date or marry women that poses the same very high quality as Ferrari, Lamborghini or Lexus. It goes the same as men in view of women. Real and decent women want very high quality men as well.
Myself, I never have bought or owned any American car all of my life because of their unreliability, low quality and proven track record of cutting corners as sacrifices for higher profit. In regards for girls, American women are just like American cars… high maintenance, too painful to deal with, very unreliable, breaking down too often and so on.
I don’t really care where the car, women or any product comes from as long as it is very reliable, high quality, low maintenance and higher mileage. I just look for companies who pose excellent track record for producing high quality, reliability and low maintenance products. If I can find US-made things that shows those features, it’s great. If not, I can find such ones in other countries that are much better than American made products. It goes the same for men finding women. It is the same as for women finding men as well.
Conclusively, if I can find a very high quality, reliable and low maintenance woman regardless where she is from – America, Russia, South America, European or wherever, I would be very happy to have one.
Does it make me have a “inferority complex” if I can meet a girl from Colombia, Brazil, Italy, Japan, Russia or wherever?
December 27, 2006 at 11:41 am
Yeah, QuietRebel, you for many times repeat the same things – compare a woman with a car of high quality, reliable with low or high maintenance, hahaha! You are funny, no comments!!! You – practical men who compare human qualities with a car quality! I read a lot of comments about american men and women, where american women are so spoiled and bla bla bla….. and men, you? You are looking for a woman who would “cost” you nothing but be convenient in use, LOW maintenance but HIGH quality…. I can conclude you will have difficulties to find a woman, wherever you are looking for, especcialy in America, as from your speech i can see that you belong to same Middle Class or lower and no one American woman will look at you, because she is of HIGH maintenance, that you simply CAN NOT afford! Shame on you!!!
December 27, 2006 at 3:25 pm
Rosana,
You speak nonsense because you are a nonsensical female. American men like me QuietRebel are CHOOSING to walk away from American feminist women (like you or your Russian female counterparts) because we are tired of their feminist, man-hating ways among a myriad of things. You DO KNOW the meaning of “CHOICE”, don’t you?
Please do not show your lack of intelligence by professing to know the American male, especially those of this forum. But please allow us the pleasure of your departure and please don’t let the door leave a contusion on your assumed big, fat used gluteal musculature.
If you reply, can you reply with something more intelligent instead of the female drivel that you are used to? Or did you not graduate from Primary School?
December 27, 2006 at 3:44 pm
Difficulties finding a woman? My biggest difficulty is getting women to leave me alone.
December 27, 2006 at 4:36 pm
Ok, here my reply!
I’m a russian girl, Rosana is not my real name of course, i have a university degree in linguistics. I’m married to an American man with who i’m divorcing now. I want to tell you my sad story. Here it is, just after we got married here in Russia my husband returned to the USA and when having passport control in the airport in Atlanta he was arrested. Now i realise i made a big mistake by marrying him, it’s my mistake, i did it too fast without knowing his past, and his past is horrible…, he never told me he was in prison about 15 years ago. He told me he had 3 wifes, the first, let’s call her Verginia and second – Cheri, and the 3d, they got divorced last year. So, he told me a lot about how many troubles he had with Verginia, that she was real bitch and devil, in same time he told that he also had troubles with Cheri’s mother, his second wife’s mother, as both – she and her mother were crazy about him and fighted for him and her mother wanted to separate them and as Cheri was under 18 when they got married my husband was put in Jail. I repeat it happened 15 years ago. But this man, my husband, never and never told me the ugly thing that Cheri was Virginia’s daughter, he never told me he married his step daughter. I started to hate this man and while he is in jail now i will devorce him and forget him for good. I talked to his lawyers a couple of months ago when i cared about his destiny, i sent him letters thru his friends, i sent my letters by email and they printed it and sent by normal mail, but now it’s over. So, this time when i talked with the lawyer, he opened the ugly truth about my husband, many years ago he really married Cheri when she was 16 or 17, but he first went to bed with her when she was 13 and he, my husband, was in his late 30s. He perverted a child, ugly, i can emagine her mother’s feelings, i can emagine what a woman feels when her husband marries her daughter, it sounds awful!!! Cheri gave him 3 children one by one and when she was 20 they got divorced thru the court. He payed his mistakes, he was imprisoned for about a year and then got a probation in Ohio, and as he used to say his reputation was destroyed, he moved to Florida without permission from Probation Officer. He just run away and broke probation. He stayed unpunished for 15 years and when coming back from Russia, when changing airplanes , had passport control, he was arrested and now again was sentenced to a new term in Ohio Jail. That’s my story, believe it or not! What’s going on now? His boss, after he got to know the truth about my husband’s past, he dismissed him and the house where he used to live belongs to the company where he worked, after his dismissal this house was taken away, so, my soon-to-be ex also lost home, his reputation is now again destroyed, same as his credit story, everything… He lost home, lost job, family, he has 6 children, but he lost connection to them many years ago. In internet on Ohio jail site i found a lot of cases, closed and opened, on him. The one is about “non-support” of his children. He lost all connection to all his relatives, his brothers and sisters, his parents are gone a long ago. So, what should i do with him, what should i think??? He used to repeat, as he is a big believer, that he is a Man of God, honorable, but what do i see now? A loser? Who else? Who esle is he???
He dreamed about marrying a russian woman, me, as he used to say he hates american women for all the troubles they caused him in his life. And what about him??? Is he better? He never cared about his children, he destroyed Cheri’s childhood and live, her mother’s live, his own live? i’m not talking about myself, i will survive. He had nothing, i knew he had no home and he rented one that belongs to his companie where he worked, but i still married him as i did not care, i though we could buy one together. His friends later told me that they gave him money to travell to Russia to me, as he earned 1000$ a month only. I knew it too, but i did not care about money and things, i thought his personality is most important… and what did i get? His past is full of criminal records. He never told me, if i knew i would not marry him for sure, he used my lack of knowledge about his life and his past. I know it’s human nature to hide and lie, but not to a person with who you plan to live your live! And now i think that for sure no one American woman was willing to be with him, that’s why he searched for a RW! Now i’m in doubt about american men. I understand Russian women who search for a husband abroad, in my small town, for one woman goes 7-9 men, men are dying out here, i have difficulties to find a good one here! And what about american men??? I think, those who go searhing for a wive abroad are losers at home, they are refused in their own country. My husband is an example. Sorry
December 27, 2006 at 7:13 pm
kzarz,
I have no big, fat musculature, i’m not american, i’m russian, i have not only graduated from Primary School but by my 22 years old i have a university degree, i speak very good english and french. I’m not feminist, believe me!
I’m young, yes, but i do well understand something in live. But anyhow, i can see very well the manner you are talking with a woman, no matter who she is, american or russian, i guess your intention was just to insult in a sarcastic way you did!
Tell me what is the antonym for “feminism”?
It will be another situation, the men who play the main roles and rule the world and who fear to give up their positions to more stronger women. Yes, i think a woman should never look like a man, dress like man, lose shape and “face”, but we in Russia and you in America have a lot of women in the gouvernement who look really great, i dont know how they treat their husbands, but anyway, women are changing all over the world. I’m sure in Russia in 10, 20 years will be same type of women like these days in America, Poor men!
December 28, 2006 at 3:30 am
Rosana, didn’t you see ANY “red flags” while you were dating this sociopath? Or did you choose not to see them?
December 28, 2006 at 6:00 am
Rosana,
I’m sorry to hear about your story.. So the bad news is that you married the wrong person.. OK well welcome to the club.. that happens to most of us..
The Good News is that it sounds like you still live in the States and now have a wonderful opportunity to start your life over in a great way and to find a Real and Loving Man that you are looking for. I would be counting my blessings if I were you because you said yourself there is a 7 to 1 ratio of Women to Men where you are from and you no longer need to worry about that.
Rosana, I know there are tons of bad guys and girls out there.. but that is not what this blog is primarily about.. It’s about helping the good find the good.
I appreciate your story but don’t let that cloud your judgement for the rest of your life.. If there is any tragedy.. then it will happen if you use this past experience to justify your mistrust of Men and then you end up in another bad relationship because of it.. You are right at this point where you can look at this as a blessing and start fresh and have a great life.. or you could look at this as a tragedy and base all your future actions on it.. and just get into another bad situation.
Trust me I’m giving you some serious wisdom here.. and I hope you absorb it..
GL
December 28, 2006 at 6:01 am
Rosana you can hardly accuse any Man here of being insulting if you started to be insulting yourself towards the Men here.
You will find very respectful and insightful comments here from many other Women from both the US and Russia. When you read the Men’s responses you will find that they are also very respectful.
Are you intelligent enough to understand this?
Play nice and respectful with us.. and we will play nice and respectful with you..
But if you don’t Play nice with us.. then be prepared to be spanked in the most embarassing of ways because there is some serious intellectual firepower in this group and I don’t think you will find yourself in a good position trying to argue irrationally against their collective minds..
Don’t make a common mistake that most ignorant people make in trying to judge a whole group of people on the experience of one. I don’t want to lump you into that category and I don’t think that neither do you as well.
Also you are dealing with a group of Guy here in this blog who hold pretty high standards for what they want in their lives and any girl would be lucky to be associated with them.. I would not be so quick to be offended Rosana if you do not initially like how one of them communicates an idea.
Or in other words Rosana.. R..E..L..A..X..
You are in the company of fine Men. Take the time to understand that without trying to pre-judge any of them as being “bad” and you will have much to learn I promise you..
Don’t get me wrong Rosana.. I want you to be involved here.. but do so in a proper way. Cool?
GL
December 28, 2006 at 6:44 am
I’m not accusing, i’m telling you my point of view after what i have learned from life.
I’m not in States now, i’m in Russia, working, all is great! I dont worry about my unlucky marriage anymore. I will have another court session on the 15th of January and hopefully i get the divorce, i have a lawyer who will help me do it faster. After divorce i will change my english last name for my russian one. The only thing i’m thinking about is when my husband goes out from jail in fabruary or latest April he will call me and i will ask him the only question – how could he have sex with a 13 y.o. girl. But i feel like i will never hear from him, as when he goes out he will not have a dollar, i dont know what he will do, how will he get back home to Florida, there is nobody to give him money. We will see, it’s not long to wait.
December 28, 2006 at 3:38 pm
rosana wrote : “I can conclude you will have difficulties to find a woman, wherever you are looking for, especcialy in America, as from your speech i can see that you belong to same Middle Class or lower and no one American woman will look at you, because she is of HIGH maintenance, that you simply CAN NOT afford! Shame on you!!!”
rosana wrote:”The only thing i’m thinking about is when my husband goes out from jail in fabruary or latest April he will call me and i will ask him the only question – how could he have sex with a 13 y.o. girl. But i feel like i will never hear from him, as when he goes out he will not have a dollar, i dont know what he will do, how will he get back home to Florida, there is nobody to give him money. We will see, it’s not long to wait.”
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So tell me oh woman of linguistics, is not your above statement accusatory? Tell me then, in your demented world, what exactly does the phrase “I can conclude …” mean? You accused/concluded that an esteemed member of our community is “middle class or lower and that no … American woman will look at you”. You further wrote that this member cannot afford her. One, you are young and stupid. Two, you do not know this member or his socioeconomic status and three, you are young and stupid.
I am sorry for your sad tale but seriously speaking, despite your university degree, you were pretty stupid. (Notice a pattern here?) How could you NOT obtain a background criminal check on this man is beyond any scope of reason. My wife (who is Russian) was at the very least, resourceful and did a background criminal check on me BEFORE I met her for the first time in Russia. And she doesn’t even have a degree in linguistics. A lot of good that degree got you. You should have gotten a degreee in COMMON SENSE.
And then you have the utter nonsense and brain numbing idea of communicating with him after he is released from prison?? Now tell me really, does that make any sense at all? It even sounds like you want to help him by giving him money. You have an amazing display of brain atrophy and unmitigated looniness. You are in good company with alot of our American female dogs. Take my advice, drop this guy like a bad case of diarrhea. He is the scum in your pond of life and he will only make your life worse.
By the way, the opposite of feminism is ….. feminine. Get it?
GL is right. Do not come to this blog with insults, accusations and false assumptions. You cannot handle the written barrage that will ensue if you continue to do this. If you write offering a differing opinion, then do so in a respectful manner. Or did they not teach you that in Primary School where you earned your univeristy degree? I am writing this way because you have yet not proven to me that you are a lady capable of exercising wisdom and intelligence in your writings. Notice that I said “LADY” as opposed to woman. I would hope that you know the difference. If not, look it up.
Be a lady and you will be treated like one. If not, then be prepared to take criticism, sarcasm and insults from the company of men who are tired of women and their misandric writings/rantings. You KNOW NOTHING about the men here and to besmirch a member is tantamount to an act of (verbal) war.
(OK. Got that out of my system. Where’s my morning coffee?)
December 28, 2006 at 7:26 pm
HAhaha, sure i know NOTHING about the men here, i dont need to know to much about you to give my comments.
Yes, i’m young and as you say stupid because of my youth; what’s your age? May be i’m really stupid as i believed my husband’s words, he said i can trust him and i did. I talked to his friends, they all repeated he is their best friend and just a good person. But after he was arrested they were the first who searched on him in internet, jail site, and sent me the links, so i could also see this. Kim, who worked with him have known him for years, Ed and all others who have known him for many years could not believe that my husband had troubles with the law many years ago and now, they did not even known how many children he had. I asked why??? It was me who said to Kim he has 6, she was shocked! I asked why nobody of you, his friends, knew nothing about his life and so on??? She said “Oh, i was not supposed to ask”. I trusted this man, that’s my stupidity i did not check his background. I will not repeat that mistake, no way. I once read somewhere next – what’s a difference between clever and stupid people? Stupid people learn by their own mistakes and clever learn by mistakes made by stupid ones.
I’m not going to help him with money, but i have waited to talk to him for long enough just to drop him as you said. I have not deleted our photos, emails, he is still in my skype contacts. I check his page in jail site every day as i can not stop it really, just delete him from my mind, it’s impossible, i will wait to talk to him for the last time when he goes out and i will wait to i get my divorce paper in january, then i will for sure erase this all from my memory. I thought “yes” why not drop this all, him and everything about him, i could do it may be, but i would for sure not come down and try to find ways to know about him, if he is out, where he is and what he is doing, how is he going to start his life all over again. The one thing i know, i will not come back to him or forgive him to the point i could give him a chance to be with me. We will see…
December 28, 2006 at 9:41 pm
Rosana,
I don’t believe you are stupid at all, and I don’t believe you failed for not doing a background check. I have never done a background check on anyone I cared about and I wouldn’t expect one done on me. You are like most normal lovers, men and women, who enter a relationship based on trust. Unfortunetly like many others you have been a victim of abuse and lies. I choose not to judge you, I don’t really know you or anyone else on this forum, but I do believe you are angry and bitter and you have a right to be after dealing with this man who has raped your trust and love. I do see this often where i work, both the lyers and the victims. But we are not all like this, no matter what country we are in.
I wish for you the court will grant your divorce. I wish for you that you will heal, after some time put away the anger and bitterness…and the hurt. I wish for you to trust your heart and mind to find new relationship again. I would like to believe you deserve it and more. I wish you peace.
December 28, 2006 at 10:25 pm
Trust has to be EARNED. Besides, I don’t believe for a second that Rosana didn’t see any red flags while she was dating this guy. She played with a snake and then cried when she got bitten.
December 29, 2006 at 12:39 am
Nat, that blanket statement you just made has just cost you a lot of credibility in my eyes. Don’t paint us all with the same brush. There are a lot of dysfuntional American men, just as there are dyfuntional Russian men. It’s a tragedy that will have dire consequences for both countries. But I don’t believe all Russian men are drunks, understand? But there are many good men who can’t find a woman who’d be a wife instead of a thinly diguised prostitute. There are many women here who are not a drug user, sociopath, party girl or hooker, but there’s not enough of them to go around here. If you live here long enough to see the real lay of the land here, you’ll udnerstand why American men are looking abroad. A growing number of American women first get invilved with criminals and sociopaths, have multiple children with them, then decide to leave them. After that, they wonder why men who would have been a good husband want nothing to do with them. In effect they send the message, “Hey, I had a great party to which I didn’t invite you, but I want you to pay the bill.” I did marry an American woman who had kids from a previous marriage. It didn’t take long for me to both find out she was a sociopath, and why men usually do not want to marry a woman with children. So don’t assume that ALL American men are losers who cannot deal with their problems. That’s not true, anymore than the sterotypes we all know about Russian women and American men. For your information, I am a Russian and Ukrainian-American, and my name really is Taras. As for being a patriot, there’s nothing wrong with it, as long as it’s not a cover or justification for racism or other evil acts. American society is collapsing, and there are those of us who’s rather not be here when the pressure hull of this torpedoed submarine implodes into steel scrap.
Taras
December 29, 2006 at 9:37 am
Thank you Ceiver for your support!!! I’m glad somebody here understands me ! I dont want to talk about my unhappy marriage anymore but there is another problem i would like to discuss.
It’s a problem of American society which is collapsing as Taras said.
I want to understand why American women are so spoiled? Who or what spoiled them?
I remeber i once discussed with Kim the Emily blog (i think you heard about That Girl Emily blog) and she asked me not to read that kind of b..sh.. and then i replied “Oh, David (my husband) also forbids me to read such blogs”. Her reaction seemd very unusual to me but may be normal to all other americans. She said “What? FORBIDS???? Remember, nobody can forbid you anything, he is not your parent amd you are over 18, you can do what you want and he can not forbid you!” I did not argue. I think i would never hear russian girls, my friends, saying this. We are well used to prohibitions. When i were a child my parents forbed me do this do that, i forbid something to myself all the time and so on…
So, what is wrong with that women? May be there’s nothing wrong with them, simply in last years they got a lot of rights and protection from gouvernement, they got some power too and just use it in their own way. I think american women are surviving a critical moment and it will change in one or two generations, they will be tired of playing men’s roles and will wish to be feminine.
The same situation in Western Europe, europeen men are also tired of their women who dont fight for their right but who dont want to look nice and sexy, these men also go to the FSU for same reasons. The wave of feminism will soon reach Russia, i’m sure. But by this time american women will turn into ladies :-)))
As i said before, russian men are not best husbands and fathers, so, i have emagined what if all russian men married all american women…..they would create a “war nation” LOL :))))
December 29, 2006 at 11:24 am
Finally you’re saying something sensible, Rosana. American women are indeed spoiled rotten because they are treated as princesses regardless of their behavior or physical appearance. Plus they are protected from the consequences of their actions by the government. But I don’t think American women will just wake up some day and say “Oh we were wrong, let’s go back to being ladies”. Power is addictive and nobody gives it up willingly-it has to be taken from the tyrants.
December 29, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Hi Rosana and your attitude is so welcome. As GL has stated and others agreed so many times before, the women of North America have lost the idea of family and are striving to compete with men. Not equal or on an even stand, but by oppression.
My ex-wife I would put as a prime example. Her idea of “equal opportunities” was to spend as there was no limit. When she was finally found out her reaction was not of remorse or to correct a mistake, she has blame for everyone but herself. Then to drive home her disregard for responsibility she chose to find another man to support her lack of self-control.
I know not all women here are this way, but watching the news and experiencing our life here, it is becoming so rediculous as to be laughable. Canada is ahead of the USA in out of control bureaucrats, but the lack of population and actual people that work for a living not dependent on the government at least keeps their exposure alittle less masked.
Okay, off my soapbox now. I will find a true woman and I am very secure that she is waiting me in Russia. I still grow concerned on bringing her here as she may also become tainted by the character pollution, but my confidence is growing and I am sure of her honorable intent as well.
😉
Canajun
December 30, 2006 at 3:24 pm
The ruling elite, corporations and yes, men are to blame for this Rosana, but for different reasons. Men do tend to spoil their daughters here, but the damage that did pales compared to what the ruling elite and corporations have done. They induced women into joining the workforce to dilute everyone’s wages for one. Then they relentlessly encouraged them to form expecations that just don’t jibe with reality. As if that’s not enough, the government enacted some supremely bad laws that allow women to divorce their husbands and take half or more of the marital assets PLUS a massive bite out of his income, even if she’s the one who was in the wrong. In short, blame a increasingly corrupt and fascist government and their media collaborators, the increasingly corrupt and rapacious corporate interest, and men who no longer know when to say “No” to their daughters when it’s in the kid’s best interests to do so. That, in a nutshell is why our society here is collapsing like the steel pressure hull of a submarine that descended below crush depth.
Taras
December 31, 2006 at 11:06 am
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU, GUYS!!!!!!!!!
We, in Russia meet the New Year in 10 hours!!!
This is Liliya (my real name)
December 31, 2006 at 2:53 pm
Likewise Liliya, a Happy New Year to you……:-)
Taras
December 31, 2006 at 3:00 pm
Liliya
I wish you a Happy New Year. I hope tonight you will dance and sing, party with friends and celebrate your new life, new spirit.
and to all Happy New Year. Take a disignated driver …or take the bus!!!
December 31, 2006 at 7:48 pm
Thank you!!!
I will meet New Year at home with mom and dad and sister, with no dancing or singing, but with lots of food and sweets!!!
But i was dancing the whole evening yesterday on the corporative party with people from my work, there have been about 150 persons. And by the end of the party my director singed 4 songs for us, that was a big surprise for me! That evening was unforgettable! I started to work in this company just 2 months ago but i already like them, my colleagues, very much!!!
This year was full of events: i graduated from universuty, got married but my marriage lasted for just 5 months before i applied for divorce. I started to work, this is my first fulltime job and i never worked before! What is waiting for me next year???
We will see…
January 2, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Hello All!
I have just talked to Kim on skype, she said David called his friend, Chuck, a week ago and said he will not go out in Fabruary or April as we thought. After he left Ohio many years ago he never paied his children support and he has about $50.000 to pay. I dont know what they will do, how many months more they will add to him, she said about 18. He will have to work out this money in Jail. Oh my poor american husband…..
January 4, 2007 at 9:18 am
Here is One Great Cultural Barrier Reef of Unawareness, Gentlemen.
Both our parties see our own National Bugbears in each other, readily imagining Ugly Women vs. Ugly Men.
We Russian women still don’t realize or can’t believe in those crowds of “obese square psychos” you unwillingly-habitually visualize behind any “non-traditionalism” on our part. We rather account those crowds to low strata beyond your and our mating field.
We still think that Feminism is all about Equal Rights and Compensatory Protection of the Weaker Sex, and that the WEST is about Fair Competition.
In Russian families, it’s boys who are pampered into depravity.
The daughters – yes we were brought up on fairy tales, but the core lessons that we’ve learned from them are:
– a woman must develop and exert the best of her physical and personal resources to be worth her expectations – because it takes a princess to have a prince;
– it takes a prince / knight / king to have a princess;
– the years of hardships shall be atoned by Kingdom Regained. “Deserving” women means that they DESERVE!
Now what, – accurately or not, – do we read in the West?
– Men who ignore the fact that non-material values shall be paid for with equivalent non-material values (is this what you call high maintenance?)
– and eventually shift it all down to materialism as if permanently prepared against being robbed of the only thing they find important and cling to more than That Bedreamt Love and Family Atmosphere. And the higher socioeconomics, the more hypocritical this “”non-materialistic” choice” looks.
(It was Rosana who lashed out this time, but evidently for what she’s been facing all around)
– Men who Bargain (Western mode of mentality & economy) instead of Mutual Giving (Eastern mode).
If we should follow the translation of human virtues into those endeared terms of car consumer qualities, – we see Men who want a Lamborghini at the cost of Ford, and want race driving on diluted low-octane petrol.
– Men who relax from being gentlemen on the occasion of hearing a “no lady”.
Class, dignity, intelligence and wisdom are tested by one’s reserved policy to his “inferiors” and “assaulters”, as well as by not multiplying billingsgate (nor tasting sophisticated insults) when speaking of anyone. Or, as a Russian joke goes, “a gentleman would call a cat a cat, even if he’s stumbled over it and fell”.
(It’s very Russian how Rosana has extended Credit, possibly with unaware Advocacy, to her outrageous husband-to-be, and still feels some ingrained RESPONSIBILITY for him.)
January 4, 2007 at 9:28 am
There is certain reason in the words that people face same problems anywhere. It’s just that we need a magnifying mirror to see and rethink them. “No prophet in the Fatherland”, – Russians say.
And there is hope that cross-cultural marriages can make things even, fill the gaps.
Yet there’s a more important trend. In the globalizing world, all people mix, only to resegregate. Fine to fine. Low to low. Merits to merits, to establish Meritocracy. Be it your own or any other country. The world is the fittest people’s oyster. Home is where heart is.
The only point is to help good people promptly find, see and join each other in this all-messed-aheap global marketplace with millions of candidates. (May I extend an invitation to the oncoming Romantic Perfectionists’ Agency I announced in my Christmas Greetings?))
Sincerely,
Comrade Natalia, Ukrainian linguist hopeful to retire from jurisprudence on this new 29th year that feels 12 to 80.
January 4, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Natalia, this is the one time that I will agree with you over rw_man. I’ve never liked his car comparisons and the way that he compares human virtues with car virtues. But I won’t dare say any more, because last night, the hotel people were making me very angry and there are only two computers in this entire hotel so everyone has to share them and some people give you dirty looks when they want you to get off of the computer and it was really annoying. I thought that they were going to get mad at me when I went on this website, but for some reason they didn’t. They just gave me dirty looks. Therefore, I was in a bit of a haphazard, angry mood last night, and it may have caused me to be a bit haphazard in my comments last night. Therefore, last night’s comment might have been strike 2 for Luke. I really, really don’t want to get strike 3. I don’t think that it will be too bad if I just say that Natalia has a point here about the car comparisons.
January 4, 2007 at 4:40 pm
And with that, I have to say that here I disagree with Natalia. I hate meritocracys. Everybody thinks that they are the best things ever, but they aren’t. They are one big rat-race. Brensgrrl is an example of where the meritocracy has led us. Brensgrrl has so many qualifications (not really, I think she is making most of them up, but you get my point) but they have given her ammunition to be very cruel and self-centered. Feminism is the price that we are now paying for the years of meritocracy that we have had, since women have felt that they now have to be included in the rat-race meritocracy, too. It has caused all their tenderness to turn into feminist meanness. It has caused them to want to be “career women” instead of wives and mothers, and we all know where that got us. Please, lets stop the meritocrarcy before it causes even more damage. Down with the meritocrarcy!
–Luke Skywalker
PS: I’ve noticed that some of my comments get posted, while others do not. I think that this is a very good thing. Because if there is something that I said that is bad, it simply doesn’t get posted. That way I know that I said something bad, and I know not to say that bad thing again. Also, nobody gets offended by the bad thing that I said. You guys are really good guys, so I definately don’t want to say anything bad on this website.
January 4, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Natalia, Wonderlander and Luke..
You guys are nuts for playing this “I’m so offended” game with me.
In my experience I could write the greatest warmest piece about Russian Women and somebody is STILL going to try to take a shot at it because they are “so offended” at something that I said to make a point..
Oh boy.. this time someone is really “offended” that I INDIRECTLY compared the selection of a mate to the selection of a car.
If any of you reading this argue with me that you DON’T look at the “features” of a potential mate and decide upon them just like you would with any other major decision in your life like buying a car…
Then you are…
LYING…
Please DON’T try that here because you will insult a lot of smart people’s intelligence.
This position you take reminds me of the kid in school who tries to convince everyone that he’s never “jerked off” before when people are trying to make fun of him or shame him..
Everyone knows the truth and he’s only looking more like an embarrassed idiot for denying the obvious..
Do you really want to deny that you are somehow too special and DON’T look at relationship selection in the same common sense way?
You are more then welcome to try.. but I wouldn’t recommend it.. cause it’s going to be embarrassing..
January 5, 2007 at 12:12 pm
There’s indeed no prob with car terms: everything is comparable to everything, and the relation matters more than objects (although “bees to honey” smells better than “flies to dung”). Values are values, search is search, exchange is exchange, contribution is contribution, material or not.
And… tenderness, forgiveness, mothering, beauty, honesty etc.etc – aren’t they MERITS? Sorry, I use “merits”, “values” and “virtues” as synonymous notions.
January 5, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Besides, Luke… Should people choose not to develop themselves, to shun achievement, to dig their talents into the ground, to tread down people of abilities?
WE’VE HAD EXACTLY THIS ALL IN THE SOVIET UNION.
IT WAS DEVASTATING FOR GENERATIONS AHEAD.
If you noticed, I disapprove brensgrrl’s arrogance, and keep my own details private unless they can serve a useful example for some MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD, constructive COOPERATION.
Sincerely, N.
February 4, 2007 at 9:45 pm
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July 19, 2008 at 10:43 pm
I have seldom encountered such a weening collection of platitudes. Mostly false, at that.
Corrections to just a precious few of your ignorant diatribe:
Russian women are no more “mature” or “immature” in their behavior than women from any other country.
No matter what you sad, lonely middle-aged and older western men want to fancy about yourselves, your conquests, and their families, the truth of the matter is a Russian “girl” is NOT interested in you for your youthful appearance. She is INTERESTED in a green card, or if she’s really nice and feels sorry for you, she is also interested in sticking around to spend your money. And if you old fools are stupid enough to believe otherwise, then I say more power to these “girls.” It is the LEAST they should get for having old, dried up sex with the likes of YOU!
Also, while it may be true (though this is changing) that some Russian women are accustomed to being all things to all people in their lives and dressing to the nines at the same time — that doesn’t mean she LIKES it! I know a number of women who signed on to an old american fart, playing the demure, submissive female that so many weak-minded men crave, only to emerge as though from a chrysalis into assertive, independent women once the green card is in hand. Good for them!
I cannot speak for every person or situation in this sad little Russian bride game, but my words are FAR closer to the truth than the many, western male-written wax of poetic platitudes online. This is from an assertive, independent highly-educated, degreed in Russian studies, very attractive American “girl” married to a non-alcoholic, cooks for himself AND me, hard-working, courtly European-mannered Russian “boy.” BTW, neither my husband nor myself had need to advertise or respond to advertisements to find a mate. Oh yeah, and we’re in the same age group.
July 19, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Then Again,
I find your comments to be humorously ironic given the fact that many so called “older” men that i know of (including myself) are in extremely happy and fully fulfilling relationships with significantly younger women..
And here’s something that I’m sure you’ll go into the usual DENIAL with given the tone of your comment..
These relationships are exceptionally satisfying for BOTH sides.
Although you seem to tout yourself as an “intellectual giant” in this subject because of your so called “education” in Russian Studies your course tone hilariously proves otherwise.
Are you sure your “education” wasn’t in Feminist Studies? 🙂
Well it sure as heck sounds like it lady..
In any case you have just proven yourself to be just another defensive shrill who has a slash and burn agenda because your feminist ego seems to be VERY hurt by what I’m reporting on.
Now that I’ve pointed that out to our readers let’s try to be reasonable here shall we?
Are there green card hounds in the world such as you have portrayed?
Of course there are.
Are there exploitative and scamming women who will completely misrepresent themselves to further their status and income?
Yup.. sure are..
(hmm doesn’t this sounds a little like a huge number of divorce hounding women in North America and the West?)
Does the existence of these women mean that ALL relationships between older men and younger women dictate that they as you put it are..
“women who signed on to an old american fart, playing the demure, submissive female that so many weak-minded men crave”
Well I’m surprised that such a well educated and “finely degreed” lady like yourself would be so (sorry for saying this but you really deserve this word) “stupid” in asserting that all relationships of this classification belong to your fine and very sophisticated range of flowery adjectives towards men.
Now because I try my best to be a reasonable person (seemingly unlike you) I will put forth and say that of course there are a percentage of relationships like this that fail.
A big part of my blog is devoted to explaining these things and helping men AND women to be successful in their relationships..
Whether they FREELY CHOOSE to accept an age difference or not.
Or even whether they decide to contemplate the screeching musings of a threatened feminist who is desperately trying hard to shame or prevent them from exercising THIS FREE CHOICE.
Now ThenAgain here’s the deal..
If I can be reasonable but you can’t..
Then your outburst TRULY exposes you and your VERY emotionally defensive agenda.
In fact from my side of the looking glass I’d have to say that maybe your husband is willing to put up with your behavior but the froth projecting forth from your mouth would be considered to be quite embarrassing in most acceptable social circles.
I have a feeling that you really wanted me to react in the same “spewing” manner towards you.. am I correct with this?
Well I’m sorry to disappoint you but a long time ago a good friend of mine once told me..
Never fight with a animal that is part of the swine species.. it turns out that they like to habitat areas filled with their own excrement and that fighting with them would be an incredibly unpleasant experience.
Also one last thing ThenAgain..
You made an interesting comment..
“if you old fools are stupid enough to believe otherwise, then I say more power to these “girls. It is the LEAST they should get for having old, dried up sex with the likes of YOU!”
Was this statement meant to be a personal challenge or even an invitation on your part? 😉
Well I must apologize to you ThenAgain because although I have no reason to have any self-doubt in a certain masculine prowess..
Or let alone prove it to a name calling shrew acting like a offended little girl..
I must tell you..
I don’t do swine.. 😉
GL
July 20, 2008 at 5:20 am
I truly have to wonder if the entire age difference agenda is exactly that, an agenda created by feminists to make middle aged guys feel disgusted with themselves because they think that the 18 year old that just walked by them is gorgeous. Men are simply attracted to the women which have the greatest chance to produce viable offspring, it’s in our genes. I mean for most of history older men have courted and coupled with younger ladies. I believe GL has even described this topic at length on this site. Girls that are 18-25ish are the fittest of the fit, therefore the most attractive no matter what age you are. Feminists try to stamp this because they want men to feel as trapped, guilty, and cornered in as possible.
The funny thing about GL, and some of the other writers on this site, is that they went to the FSU, AND ARE STAYING THERE AND GETTING THESE GIRLS. Lo and behold they are still getting these beautiful young women and are in wonderful supportive relationships. So, Thenagain, how would someone with studies in “Russian studies” explain that? Please explain what the motivation would be for a girl to stay in Russia with an older man with no green card up for grabs?
You also have me interested, how many Russian people do you know? How many times have you been to Russia and where did you go?
July 20, 2008 at 8:03 am
rw_man,
It must be tough to respond to someone like Then Again without sinking all the way to their level. I read these comments from time to time and when I see someone like that pretending to be worldly and educated when obviously they are not, it makes me wonder why they would ever spend a second looking at a site like this to begin with. Can she possibly believe her narrow minded, male hating, feminist b.s. will ever change the mind of a thinking man? I not only find it hard to believe she has a degree of any significance, I am shocked to think she has a male spouse. What kind of ‘man’ would want to be around anyone with such a bitter and self centered attitude?
The first time I checked this site out was after meeting men in Canada and the US who have married FSU women. They had worked or studied over there and met nice, morally and emotionally secure women and built normal relationships which led to marriage and families. These are people who I count as friends, who are respected in their careers and communities and have stronger than average (for North America) marriages and families.
The idea that our world revolves entirely around a small percentage of deviates and criminals is a bit foolish.
The feminist movement (not equal rights for equal performance) has destroyed American family values. Women who chose lives as a wife and mother were summarily dismissed as ignorant to reality by the whole Gloria Steinem, Jane Fonda crowd. How disrespectful was that? Yet these “new way/our way is the only way” juggernauts have less dignity and respect now than the so-called oppressed women of my mother’s generation. The rally cry for modern American women in regards to marriage is “Get in, get out and get all you can”. After all just 5 years will get you a house and enough money that you won’t need a full time job, and with a kid or two the value increase to include cars and clothing allowances and ‘lifestyle’ benefits. Why indeed would any feminist minded woman want to make an honest commitment to a long term relationship when the short term pays so well.
I respect your self control in replying to a person like that. I’d rather see her sort on a different planet where she wouldn’t waste good air for the rest of us.
July 20, 2008 at 10:36 am
One more thing ThenAgain..
I just realized another key point in your comment.
“she is also interested in sticking around to spend your money. And if you old fools are stupid enough to believe otherwise, then I say more power to these “girls.” It is the LEAST they should get for having old, dried up sex with the likes of YOU!”
ThenAgain..
Did you know that you are coming off like a complete prostitute with that comment?
Let’s see the woman deserves money because supposedly she’s having bad sex..
It’s funny how strongly and emotionally you endorse this point too.
It’s also funny because I’ve met so many so called feminist who talk about prostitution being such a terrible crime perpetrated against women by men.
But when it comes right down to it.. this mentality is totally part of their own make-up.
And in one form or another it always comes out just like it has with you.
Angry denials and finger pointing accusations are ALWAYS 2 sides of the same coin.
So if your husband gives you “bad sex” is he supposed to pay you?
I would surmise from your comment that in many ways he already does have to pay..
Because I certainly cannot imagine the nightmare of what it would be like to try to be intimate with a woman like you who has all the charms of a dry cactus in the middle of the desert.
The irony of this is that your comment advocates that he should still pay for the attempt.
And then I assume you’d take his money and then claim that you were the victim for not being sexually “satisfied”.
Re-read your comment again very carefully ThenAgain..
Because if I was your professor and your comment was an essay..
Then it would be pretty easy to identify the main themes you promote..
Therefore your core values.
Is someone going to find your name on the erotic services section of Craiglist someday?
GL
July 20, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Only a post that hits the nerve of insecurity would generate such a response.
A few comments. I highly advocate and recommend prostition. Perhaps the most empowering profession for women. The only reason it is illegal is not due to any feminist efforts, but out of male FEAR. Feminists who cannot recognize the power of an independent prostitute are complete idiots.
How interesting that my education is used as a slur against me here. Or deemed inferior somehow or despite my degrees I remain ignorant. If we agreed it would be otherwise, I am sure. It is very sad that an educated woman remains a threat to men, even educated men. I only wrote about my own observations and experiences, from living and working in four different countries, including Russia. That is what I saw with my own eyes, and heard with my own ears. It does not mean every may/december situation is the same. I am a historical researcher and if I were to do a study, with a sampling of thousands of women, I know there would be mixed bag success versus failure rate. The tendency, however, again from my own observations and conversations, is that ultimately most of these marriages are not happy. Will the young Russian woman just keep her mouth shut because she likes the nice home and lifestyle she now enjoys? In a word, yes. At least for a while, sometimes forever. There is much to be said for financial security, but it’s not love (if that is what you’re after).
Of course there are two sides to every coin. You talk about one, I, the other. However, having been a “young girl,” and currently a “girl” there is no way in hell I would have or would now marry or even date someone old enough to be my father. Women talk about such things when men are not around, you know, and I have been fortunate enough to sit in on conversations with very diverse groups of women of all nationalities and ages. Universally, they agree with me, unless, and only unless, the older man in question is loaded. That’s not prostition, btw, that ties straight back to the above-posted theory of women’s “natural” role and path to maturation (which, btw, is mostly a crock. Most women want to have children and feel a need to do so, but that biological function has zero to do with her emotional and mental maturity, which will only come with time, child or no child). A woman who gives birth BY NATURE seeks a wealthy man, to support the offspring. If a woman is to subvert her ALSO natural desire to be her own person in order to kowtow to an insecure male, damn right she ought to be paid for it and well.
Oh yes, and about the comment regarding mutually satisfying relationship in May/December marriages/relationships. Of course it’s possible. If she keeps her eyes closed. There is also the faking factor. It is almost downright endearing the way so very many men don’t pick up on that, and assume they are super studs. Women know how important that is to men and since most women are commpassionate (as well as quite mercenary), we let men think what they like about this. The reality, however, is very often something else. But sex just isn’t *that* important to women. It’s fine, it can be great, but it’s not the do all, end all for women. It’s very unfortunate, because this difference has for millenia created a disconnect between the sexes, and certainly strengthens the argument in favor of multiple partners. For women, shopping is at least as much fun as sex, and often much more so. So is intellectual conversation, which, despite the barbs thrown at me here, is somewhat lacking on this site.
I mean, I get it. It is so apparent what you want, and why not? Men want the pliable, the submissive, someone to look up to them and someone to do the crap they can’t be bothered with. You will most certainly find many who will volunteer in such a capacity. Only the dumbest among them, though, will remain happy in such a situation. The old adage about marrying a simple-minded girl/woman, really is good advice for the average man. It makes total sense. My own nephew is married to a very intelligent young woman. She’s smart, yes, but also compassionate and thoughtful. But, she isn’t interested in the boredom and toil of being a housewife. Only not very bright women *are*. And frankly, even I would feel better about his situation if he had married the submissive type who wanted to stay at home and wait upon his word of approval. Males among the masses want a sexy caretaker. If she also owns a liquor store, has no family, and few brain cells, so much the better. She is there for him in ways an intelligent and/or ambitious woman can never be. Recall that honest quote from the film _The History Boys_: “History is a series of disasters perpetrated by men, where women follow behind. With a bucket.”
Well, some of us women, more than ever, I’d say and yes, including many, many Russian women — even those who are married but otherwise enlightened — recognize the absurdity of it all, and take our buckets elsewhere and for our own uses.
One more thing: about my husband “putting up with my behavior.” Well, he’s Russian, yes, a non-alcoholic Russian male. He is terrified of my learning and position. But, he depends on me for innumerable organizational skills, thoughtful things only a loving spouse can provide, and translation abilities. He cooks, gardens, pays the mortgage, and leaves me to my work. It balances out. We “put up with” each other’s behavior, which, I imagine is how it usually works in other marriages. Come to think of it, maybe I really do have a Russian bride, of sorts. I’ve got all the benefits and all of the power. But we’re the same age, so people don’t give us strange looks, and neither of us has to be secretly grossed out in bed. We’re on a physical even playing field, the importance of which I believe cannot be overstated.
July 20, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Whoah, this is a nasty pile-on, onto a woman who politely questioned some of the assumptions behind the site!
I’m not going to take sides on this one, other than to say that ThenAgain was no more passionate about her beliefs than most of the other posters on this site are about theirs, and it does no-one any favours to call her ‘a shrew’, ‘shrill’, ‘desperate’, ‘male-hating’, ‘self-centred’, ‘unreasonable’ or ‘bitter’ or doubt the masculinity of her husband. Someone even doubted that she had ‘a degree of any significance’! Her writing is lively, I’d agree, but contained no more insults or generalisations than most of the opposite posts on this site.
Please, can we use logic and reasoned response (as SunnyInSanDiego did above) rather than just calling western women contributors nasty names. There is a place for intelligent discourse aboust such important topics, and I would hope this is it.
July 20, 2008 at 11:46 pm
I’ve been out hunting for a younger woman who will submit to my God given authority. (I’m really – really trying to give American women the benefit of my doubt).
When I was 20 I wasn’t ready to get married. I needed some time to grow and mature. At 32 I’m prepared to do what it takes to support a family. However, I’m not going to court a woman my age who is far beyond her best reproductive years. No matter how old I get I will always look to marry a woman who is 20-22. The beauty is the older men get the more attractive we become.
ThenAgain who is your Creator? Whether you want to recognize your husband’s headship and authority or not is not the question. He has been ordained as your head and no amount of knowledge or degrees will allow you relinquish this power from him. He may be a puny leader but he is your puny leader all the same. Do you understand me.
-Mick
July 21, 2008 at 2:12 am
I’m truly interesting even more in your relationship now ThenAgain, if you would discuss it. How is the interaction betwen you and your husband? Who has the “final word” in most disagreements that you face? It sounds to me like you are the sole force of your relationship, i.e. you are the large Sun in your relationship system and your husband is a little planet that swirls around you. Any chance of getting your husband to post? 🙂
Again the textbook feminist line with “a woman cannot be happy with being a housewife/homemaker” I simply do not know of any women that are housewives that are completely unhappy an unsatisfied with their lives, however I do know many that are never happy trying to balance full time careers wth motherhood though. GL included career development as an aspect of a womans happiness, it simply just needs to be balanced corectly. The girl that I am communicating with now wants to work if she decides to come here. I fully intend to support her in fufilling this part of her life as much as the rest.
C’mon Dawn 🙂 You know you want to be in the middle of this.
July 21, 2008 at 2:49 pm
ThenAgain,
I’m putting your comments in quotes below and responding to them..
“Only a post that hits the nerve of insecurity would generate such a response.”
Good humor on your part again.. And another example of calling the kettle black..
This is simply because every feminist like yourself that I have ever met only has their emotions and not their brains as a tool of discourse. The very FIRST thing that all feminist do is to accuse others of what they really are deep down inside.
Don’t believe it?
Let me prove this and reinforce it with a little something called LOGIC that in spite of your “education” you still seem to be lacking.
First off you are the one who came here and not the other way around..
My post have generated a great deal of typical so called “outrage” and venom on your part. So aren’t you the one who is INCREDIBLY insecure given that you’ve opened this salvo?
Oh wait there’s more..
Every comment posted from a new visitor must be approved by me in order to be displayed..
When I saw your comment I was far from “insecure”.. I was amused.. and as usual it’s good to make a fine example out of irrational women like you..
It serves a very valuable purpose for the readers in this blog.
Because it teaches the younger pups in this clan how easy it is to expose the crass agenda and frankly embarrass the living hell out of foolish women who cannot help but stick their foot in their mouths like you.
You have no idea how completely “outgunned” you are ThenAgain.. And we are going to amuse ourselves and have fun with your very weak attempt at an emotional frontal attack at this extremely well protected house.
“A few comments. I highly advocate and recommend prostition. Perhaps the most empowering profession for women. The only reason it is illegal is not due to any feminist efforts, but out of male FEAR. Feminists who cannot recognize the power of an independent prostitute are complete idiots.
”
I’m a Libertarian so I also believe that people should be free to choose any transaction they want as long as it doesn’t deprive the liberty, property, or life of others. So I have no problems with the concept of prostitution as a freely chosen transaction.
I do have a problem or actually I should correct myself and say I feel sorry for someone like you who is so jaded in seeing happy and healthy male-female relationships through the looking glass of prostitution.
Where normal people see real love, respect, sharing, intimacy and communication between 2 adults..
You see a John, a Ben Franklin, a dark alley, and some desperate cast out woman throwing away a used condom..
Pretty sad ThenAgain..
And you have no idea just how deeply I can read into who you really are when you make the comments that you do..
Also..
Aren’t you are making a grossly ironic and false claim about Men being afraid of prostitutes aren’t you? Prostitutes wouldn’t exist if Men were afraid of them don’t you think? I don’t think they are the ones pushing to make it illegal.. I think political correctness and group think in general is responsible for any anti-prostitution momentum. So I really don’t understand your “victim sounding agenda” in blurting without thinking once again that Men are afraid of prostitutes..
Aren’t women themselves the first one to throw stones and castigate other women with the many different titles out there that all say she’s a prostitute.. How many times have all of us heard another woman disparage another by saying “she’s is/looks like such a slut, hooker, whore, etc etc.”
I would assert that women themselves are far more likely to verbally assault another woman with prostitution based shaming words.
“How interesting that my education is used as a slur against me here. Or deemed inferior somehow or despite my degrees I remain ignorant. If we agreed it would be otherwise, I am sure. It is very sad that an educated woman remains a threat to men,”
Your education wasn’t used as a slur against you…
Your previous idiotic rant was..
The fact that you showcased yourself as “educated” while making such a fool out of yourself cannot go un-noticed..
And here’s another thing I notice.. since no one “slurred” your education.. but you accuse them of doing so then what you are really attempting to do is to cover up the embarrassing stinky accident that you left in the middle of party floor with just more classic.. SPIN..
“That is what I saw with my own eyes, and heard with my own ears. It does not mean every may/december situation is the same. I am a historical researcher and if I were to do a study, with a sampling of thousands of women, I know there would be mixed bag success versus failure rate. The tendency, however, again from my own observations and conversations, is that ultimately most of these marriages are not happy.”
Wow your a historical researcher.. so you must know of a little thing or two about something called “Statistics”..
Again i’m at a loss as to why you claim such a “learned” background and make comments like the following..
“No matter what you sad, lonely middle-aged and older western men want to fancy about yourselves, your conquests, and their families, the truth of the matter is a Russian “girl” is NOT interested in you for your youthful appearance.”
Care to provide some ST- A- TI-ST-IC-S on both of your assertions ThenAgain?
This is your job after all isn’t it?
But something tells me your either not very happy with your job or you have no faith in it because you refuse to use any of the analytical tools at your disposal to make any half way lucid point..
So I think you are a pretty confused girl..
“Of course there are two sides to every coin. You talk about one, I, the other. However, having been a “young girl,” and currently a “girl” there is no way in hell I would have or would now marry or even date someone old enough to be my father. Women talk about such things when men are not around, you know, and I have been fortunate enough to sit in on conversations with very diverse groups of women of all nationalities and ages. Universally, they agree with me, unless, and only unless, the older man in question is loaded.”
Sigh… ThenAgain.. let me key you in on one of the most important “Facts of Life”
There is often a huge difference between what a woman “SAYS” and what she “DOES”..
The more irrational the woman.. the greater the chasm between these two points.. and you are certainly making a great case study out of yourself in demonstrating this.
Sitting around with a group of women who all have a huge mixed bag of hormones, agendas and competing egos is NOT the most reliable metric in the world for taking things as historical truth..
ThenAgain.. you are making yourself out to be VERY idiotic right now because you claim to be a “Historical Researcher” yet you want to form your opinion on a group of women you sat around doing girl talk with.
Ahhh Yeah..
It must really suck for you to invest so much time like you have into your “education” and not actually believe in what you’ve been taught. .
Well I can share too by the way.. cause I’ve been around plenty of Russian and FSU ladies as well.
And if a man comes along who strikes their fancy and meets the right criteria for their emotional needs and long terms goals as a woman then they will match up with him REGARDLESS of his age. The girls will determine their own tolerances for acceptable age difference.. and NOT you no matter how much you “think you know better for them”..
In other words.. It’s their own damn business.
You know ThenAgain here’s the really funny thing about women like you..
You cry and pawn like the “younger girls” who get into these relationships are Victims..
I don’t see any of these so-called older men sticking a gun to their heads and forcing these girls to be with them.
See the CORE of your lunacy is confuse and spin FREE CHOICE with Victim hood.
But the added sick twist here on your part is that you are also confusing it with a Prostitution mentality because you make the following comment..
“If a woman is to subvert her ALSO natural desire to be her own person in order to kowtow to an insecure male, damn right she ought to be paid for it and well.”
Please keep writing ThenAgain because you are certainly an interesting case study as far as emotionally confused and twisted women are concerned.
Your next comments really make me feel sorry for your husband..
“Oh yes, and about the comment regarding mutually satisfying relationship in May/December marriages/relationships. Of course it’s possible. If she keeps her eyes closed. There is also the faking factor. It is almost downright endearing the way so very many men don’t pick up on that, and assume they are super studs. Women know how important that is to men and since most women are compassionate (as well as quite mercenary), we let men think what they like about this. The reality, however, is very often something else. But sex just isn’t *that* important to women. It’s fine, it can be great, but it’s not the do all, end all for women. It’s very unfortunate, because this difference has for millenia created a disconnect between the sexes, and certainly strengthens the argument in favor of multiple partners. For women, shopping is at least as much fun as sex, and often much more so. So is intellectual conversation, which, despite the barbs thrown at me here, is somewhat lacking on this
site.”
Eyes closed? Faking factor? Mercenary (women)? Sex isn’t important to women? Shopping much more fun as sex?
Your husband is screwed.. and I’m sure deep down inside he knows it..
ThenAgain your marriage will NOT last.. it’s an empty shell. So for god sakes don’t have children.. You need to go out and be “free and independent” all you want and wreak havoc on yourself and not with others..
“Only the dumbest among them, though, will remain happy in such a situation. The old adage about marrying a simple-minded girl/woman, really is good advice for the average man. It makes total sense. My own nephew is married to a very intelligent young woman. She’s smart, yes, but also compassionate and thoughtful. But, she isn’t interested in the boredom and toil of being a housewife. Only not very bright women *are*.”
So “smart” women must have exceedingly dirty, chaotic and messy homes right?
So “smart” women don’t give a f**k about their homes at all right?
Well I know which home I WON’T be visiting any time soon..
ThenAgain you have ZERO honor and ZERO class if you can’t even take pride in your own home and take care of it..
You portray yourself as truly a sad creature who probably believes in eating with disposable plates and plastic forks & knives.
You act like a spoiled little girl who is in complete denial about just how low she is in the social order of civilized society. So instead you crassly accuse any woman with any measure of class and pride ABOVE you of being “stupid”..
ThenAgain.. face it.. you behave like a complete LOW LIFE with a prostitutes eyes and mind for everything that surrounds you..
Its pretty clear that you have absolutely no Dignity and only wish to take down those around you in order to hide who you really are.
You young lady are going to have a VERY difficult road ahead of you for what remains of your life..
You can either face up to that fact or just go more deeply into twisted and confused denial..
And personally given the tone of everything you’ve said so far..
I know which route you’ll take..
You can try to hide who you really are all you want from the world with your “education” but trust me it WON’T work..
It’s obvious you aren’t happy now.. but you are going to be far more miserable in the next 10 to 20 years and beyond if you don’t make a hard course change.
Your final paragraph only proves that you have no concept of what love is.. and you probably never will because it’s obvious to me that deep inside you really despise yourself.
You and your husband are both in a destructive co-dependent relationship that you base on POWER and CONTROL as opposed to Love and Understanding that will only blow up big time sooner then you think ThenAgain..
I suggest you read your last words below carefully to see what I mean..
“One more thing: about my husband “putting up with my behavior.” Well, he’s Russian, yes, a non-alcoholic Russian male. He is terrified of my learning and position. But, he depends on me for innumerable organizational skills, thoughtful things only a loving spouse can provide, and translation abilities. He cooks, gardens, pays the mortgage, and leaves me to my work. It balances out. We “put up with” each others behavior, which, I imagine is how it usually works in other marriages. Come to think of it, maybe I really do have a Russian bride, of sorts. I’ve got all the benefits and all of the power. But we’re the same age, so people don’t give us strange looks, and neither of us has to be secretly grossed out in bed.”
One last thing ThenAgain..
It’s obvious to me that your at war with yourself and with the world..
Please read this old post that I put up.. you may get a clue..
GL
July 21, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Dawn..
“Whoah, this is a nasty pile-on, onto a woman who politely questioned some of the assumptions behind the site!”
“Nasty Pile-on”
“Politely questioned?”
Now do you really think I’d let you get away with another spin attempt?
People who live in glass houses should not be throwing rocks like ThenAgain here..
They especially shouldn’t be throwing rocks at homes that are made of steel and concrete that have a wide range of weapons at their disposal.
But hey if they really insist.. let the fun begin..
GL
July 22, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Since we’re on the topic of age, sex and… well… farm animals? (Who would have thunk it). This reminds me of another one of Micksop’s fables.
TWO BULLS AND ONE STUD
Spring had arrived and two bulls traversed up the side of a mountain. One was young and the other older. Reaching the brim they surveyed the entire valley and without any close examination they could see for miles that the land was full of hundreds of thousands of heifers in heat. In his excitement the young bull exclaimed with his voice crackling, “Let’s RUN down and breed ONE!” Realizing the nearly insurmountable duty at hand the older bull said in a slow deep voice “No, I’m going to WALK down and breed ALL of them.” (You city girls might not understand).
The moral of the story is…
July 24, 2008 at 2:48 am
To Dawn,
First of all, I have enjoyed reading your input in the past and do not intend to insult you with what I am about to add. Speaking of Then Again, I do not see the “woman who politely questioned some of the assumptions behind the site” but rather someone who insulted the young Russian women spoken of here, the men who show an interest in them and millions of other men and women around the world who actually believe that loving relationships can only be built on a foundation of open minded communication, regardless of issues like age or geographic location. Her entire post was one of self righteousness and overt bigotry. She speaks of men as tolerable lower life forms who have destroyed all they have touched throughout the millennia and women as the only route of salvation for the species. From what I’ve read here, I see her as arrogant, indignant and completely out of touch with reality. Her follow up post only continues to show her lack of interest in understanding the people and purpose behind this web site.
I’m sorry that we are so far apart on this point.
To GL,
It appears that the first rant from Then Again was just an opening shot fired to begin a war of words. I agree with your response whole heartedly and wish to add the following thoughts.
First of all, I think her platitude of education is continually self proclaimed because her words and attitude would only show her as being quite to the contrary. However, if the past few decades have proven nothing else, it has certainly shown that education alone does not make a person smart outside the classroom. While she speaks of being well educated she engages us with a style of tough guy banter usually reserved for a bar room argument. As a rule life tends to balance itself well between the weak and the strong but many people like to view themselves as something more than they actually are. Napoleon complex is one example. In this case Then Again comes off as if an authority (and again self proclaimed) in the ways of love and relationships though it would seem neither her studies nor her career are along those lines. Apparently her vast studies and field work have culminated in the cocktail party views of her personal friends. We are indeed fortunate to have such a learned voice redirecting us from our path of misunderstanding, don’t you think?
Next is how she demeans every woman on earth who doesn’t agree with her “victim of all time” attitude about a normal marital relationship. Somehow Then Again knows the intimate truth of all marriages which is that those women are all unhappy, unsatisfied and down trodden under the oppressive male dominated institution of their vows. As with nearly all gross generalities, Then Again has in this case systematically removed any level of intelligence from all happily married women in the world. I’m sure that if they ever knew of Then Again’s valiant efforts they would all appreciate her beyond description. Oh, if only we could let those poor, misguided whelps know that they have but one true champion for their plight.
Then Again needs something she will never search for; a reality check. Were it not so sad that she is not alone in her anti-male opinions, it would be hysterical. Unfortunately for all of us rational adults, there are thousands more close minded people like her in North America, which is the very reason why the men here are so disgusted and chose to look elsewhere for romance. She is the epitome of everything most people come to this site to avoid.
To Then Again,
The very idea that sex is not ‘that important’ to women continues to show just how deep in denial you live her life. That is the statement of someone who is either blind or stupid; a liar or an idiot. You shouldn’t even waste someone’s time with that one. 99% of all sex acts in the history of the planet have been initiated in some way, manipulated in some way or culminated in some way by the wiles of a woman. Though the grunting cave man walking around, club in one hand and his penis in the other may be your view, don’t forget that almost every female throughout time has waved the ‘prize’ between her legs like a freakin’ badge of power and honor. Wars were not fought over male jealousy as often as for the queen who would part her thighs in the name of world domination.
While you have taken your own dismal outlook and projected it through the veil of a possibly clinical emotional condition, you seems to suggest that your own sex life lacks any connection to love or genuine affection, and thus the rest of the world should be equally disappointed. How particularly vain of you. Where did you get the idea that you speak for all of womankind? Get over yourself.
By the way look up the words “husband” and “pet” in a dictionary. The two are not synonymous.
October 14, 2008 at 1:35 am
I’ve read these posts, and it’s incredible how the men pounce and attack a woman who tells it like it is. ThenAgain never claimed to speak for all women. Neither do I. I also lived in Russia for two years and saw many times, short, overweight American men hook up with attractive Russian women. I know the men were thrilled, and I also know the women were hell bent on getting out of their depressing towns, they would do anything to do so. So please don’t attack me. I’m relaying what I saw. Some men will always be filled with rage when told the truth.
October 14, 2008 at 6:19 am
Hi Terri,
“I also lived in Russia for two years and saw many times, short, overweight American men hook up with attractive Russian women.”
Terri you make it sound like these match-ups are a crime in your eyes.
In this day and age where liberals are crying for the “rights” of gay marriage.
You want to criticize Heterosexual Men and Women who FREELY choose to be with each other?
So are you implying that it’s wrong for a “shorter overweight” western man and an attractive woman to be with each other when you know nothing of their character or the attraction they have towards each other?
Or that these women are “desperate” as you say for a better life?
Sorry but this sounds like a significant population of women in the US too.
Did you ever think about why theses women have chosen not to be with local men in their selection pool?
Does my response to you sound like “rage”?
Or are you just another mud slinging feminist robot that sees all men as “rage filled abusers”?
It’s way too easy to see an agenda here with your post Terri..
Are you in someway implying that most relationships between Western Men and Foreign Women are defined as “short overweight dudes looking for hot young babes desperate to get out of their depressing towns”?
Careful Terri.. You are painting yourself into a corner here.
GL
October 16, 2008 at 12:09 am
You’re a humorous guy. I’m not a mud slinging feminist, and I have no agenda. I’m just relaying what I saw, and as usual, some men get overly sensitive and defensive, full of name calling – just like children. Yes, I am saying that most likely in the west, these men would not attract such physically attractive women because of their physique, just as a short, overweight woman would not attract a very handsome man (in general). Also, you can read whatever you want into my post, it’s a free country. Again, I just stated what I saw, and because I am female, I was privy to how the Russian women really felt. Those feelings were something they would most likely NEVER reveal to men.
October 19, 2008 at 4:54 am
Hi Terri,
So it looks like you are telling me that these women are living a lie then.
They are just playing a game and going along for the ride right?
Yes obviously ladies like this exist everywhere in the world. But they are certainly NOT the type of company I prefer to keep. And I find it very STRANGE that during your entire time in Russia you didn’t find more honest women who were more apt to fall in love with a man’s character.
Yes I know many western women (perhaps such as yourself) can’t believe this is possible and that traditional values like this are simply not part of your reality.
But hey.. maybe this is just a case of birds of a feather right?
Bottom line Terri.. Your view as to the MAJORITY of what these women are like is completely detached from what I’ve seen in my 5 years here.
GL
July 2, 2009 at 2:22 pm
GL,
I am corresponding with 27 year old girl named Kristina from Lazh”yal, Russia. I was a little suspicious in the beginning that she might be a scammer but as time has gone on; I believe her letters (as she calls them) are sincere and genuine.
I am 61 and obviously I was concerned about our age difference. She says it doesn’t matter to her. I am in good health and good shape. I look much younger than my age due to good genetics and keeping my weight down.
Kristina is so innocent but very passionate about our relationship. She seems to be made from good fabric. As you stated, she seems very mature for 27. She handles all her home duties and works also.
I don’t want either one of us to get hurt. Am I being overly cautious or should I give it a total commitment and see if it is achievable.
Please advise.
July 2, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Hi Chris,
I’ve said this many times for anyone who is ONLY corresponding with a Russian Girl.. Never invest anything emotionally or financially into it until you meet her.
If you are only in the corresponding phase then you are only covering what I now consider less then 10% of what a relationahips evaluation should be. The other 90% can only happen when you MEET and SPEND TIME with her.
Also give the language that she is implying about her being “passionate” and “not caring” about an age difference with a man she’s NEVER met I am very suspicious this is a scam.
You need to go there to find out for sure.
Good Luck,
GL
July 2, 2009 at 4:34 pm
The age difference we’re talking about here Chris is from 10 to maybe 20 years. The age difference you’re describing is 61-27=34 years? I’d say you are being scammed or at very least getting ready to be used for any number of things. Unless you’re Mick Jagger, I don’t see any way any 27 year old is going to be attracted to any 61 year old regardless of whether or not you believe you look 61 or not and regardless of whether or not she seems “mature”.
If I were you, I’d check out some of the 40+ women who would probably be genuine partners for you that are looking for a man just like you, and not a plastic ID card for their wallet that lets them travel.
July 2, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Will do. Thanks for the advise.
May 5, 2010 at 7:03 am
Interesting blog that you have here…I just wish to give my opinion on age difference and the feminist women issue.
I like all the information about the age differences because I have also had thoughts going through my mind about them since I myself have a girlfriend that is several years younger than me. She is Russian-Ukrainian and a very sweet girl. I am 46 and she is now 24. I met her when she was 18 and at the time I thought she was too young for me so in the beginning I had no serious intentions with her but we kept in contact and I helped her from time to time because she was going into college and needed some assistance. I understand the need for assistance and also I know the difference between assisting someone and being scammed because I have had several run-ins with online scammers. I even made trip to Ukraine 2 times to visit with other older girl but when she did not meet me at the airport the second time(because of my travel partner, my brothers shitty attitude) I decided to get serious with my now girlfriend/fiancee. 🙂 But, I let her know that she needs to finish with college first and later 2010 when she is done we can finalize our plans! 🙂
I spoke with my immigration attorney about age difference and she said that our age difference is very common for marrying foreign women.
I have been to Ukraine now 3 times and after meeting with several other women the age difference is not an issue but what matters is the quality of relationship you are going have and if you both connect and have similar views interests and desires, so you do want to meet with the one you wish to get serious with as soon as possible and see if you are a good match. That is something very difficult here in USA now days. The attitudes of women here in USA, not all women but many have the “feminist” attitudes…men are only as good as the ammount of money they have and after going through many years of a very bad marriage I have no desire to get in another relationship with women of the USA. Is it me? Is a marriage supposed to be only one way-her way? I thought that maybe I was the problem like my ex-wife always told me but after getting divorce(what a relief it was) and clearing my mind of all the shit she put there I realized that my problems were over other than still supporting her until my son turns 18, no, not just child support but the “spousal support” because the laws here made by the “feminists” require us to pay if the woman does not have job(having own business is not considered a job). Still it is great relief to not be married to a man hating woman and after hearing many stories from other guys like myself I know where the problems were in my last marriage, she now knows also but she had her chance with me.
For all the men out there reading this, I have friends and aquaintances that have married Russian and Ukrainian women and every one of them are still very happy! Just watch out for the scammers because they are out there, I have dealt with some already and there are many, many scammers in the USA. Like one woman I heard telling another behind me while sitting in a restaurant “just marry the guy, in a few years if you don’t like him you can always take half of everything he’s got”. That’s the attitude of many USA women and that is why I have no wish to marry another one from the USA.
I have several friends that have married American women only to be scammed of just about everything they have ever owned. In Michigan if you are married for over 20 years and you have good job and she does not and you get divorced then you will have to pay her for the rest of your life…spousal support…lucky for me it was only 18 years! I know several guys that have been scammed in this manner by American women, why do you think there are so many feminist women out there in the USA bad mouthing the young girls and women from other countries…they just want your money and to be in control! My definition of feminist is “man-haters” and we have many of them in high ranking government positions right now, they have no care for family values, they love to see the murder of the unborn…very greedy and selfish women! I’m not talking about all the women because there are many good women in the USA, just when you get older like me they are hard to find because most of them are already taken and I personally prefer a woman with smaller build, I tried dating a few bigger women that were very nice but just have no desire…sorry… 😦
Good luck to all the guys looking for a good woman and good luck to all the women looking for a good guy! I got my girl and she’s a real sweetheart even though she’s half my age! She’s a very smart girl!